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Am I the only one who doesn't care about accuracy to the source material?


Show was brilliant. The writing, characterization, performances, direction hooked me from the first frame to the last. Which is funny to me because you get people who say "you'll change your tune and see how bad it is once you've read the book." Yeah but I really won't.

Will all that hard earned quality go and poof the moment I realize it didn't copy and paste the story from the book? Nah. Still the same show. Still the same quality. I've read Stephen King's the Shining, and guess what? Movie Shinning is still a masterpiece. Kubrick had no intention of making anything other than his own version of the story for film. And to me, story-tellers have every right to do that if they want to. I know it seems arrogant. But if you want to see Shirley Jackson's Haunting. Read the book. It's there. Nothing was "butchered." This is a different Haunting.

A side note to King. I know you're angry cause you were expecting that to. Shining was your baby I get it. But you have to be a big boy and come to terms with that fact to.

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No. Only hipster movie fans care about that.

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I prefer the movies to at least have a passing resemblance to the source material. I haven't seen this series so I can't comment directly on it, but I don't like Hollywood's tendency towards butchering a novel. In general, the closer a film is to the book the better I like it.

Case in point: 'Bram Stoker's Dracula'. Not only did the basic plot of the film change from what was in the book by adding stuff the book doesn't even hint at, we find that the very theme is changed from that of a classic story of good and evil, (the English vs the Count) to that of a sappy love story between Mina and the Count that is nowhere to be found in the 1897 novel.

On the other hand, one of my favorite miniseries is 1994's ABC production of Stephen King's 'The Stand'. It was very faithful to the book and in large part because of this, I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Complete fidelity to a novel or short story is rarely possible because not everything transfers well from one medium to another and I recognize this. But whenever possible the movie should remain faithful to the book.

Hopefully this gives another perspective on the subject.

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I could see that if the writer of the book is involved but if not then I don't think requiring an artist to be faithful to another artist's work helps produce a quality piece.

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Your point, good and noble sir, is well-taken, but the flip side of the coin is that major deviations are not really needed to produce a good quality work, either.

An example could perhaps be found in the Tom Clancy novel 'The Sum of All Fears'. In the novel, the villains were Muslim extremists and Marxist terrorists. The movie changed them, seemingly for no other reason than to be PC, to (what else?) neo-Nazis and White South Africans. This was completely unnecessary. The movie would have worked fine with the original villains. I understand that Clancy was not pleased with this change, and I can see his point, as the change made no sense.

Were my novel, 'The Pale Horse' ever to be made into a movie, I'd insist on the retention of the political orientation of the bad guys. It makes more sense that way.

Now I admittedly am blue-skying; not that I expect TPH to be made into a movie, so this is a fantasy I can afford.

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I agree with your point. We should delineate between genres. A horror film or something more imaginary has more latitude to stray from the source material.

Historical fiction or stories steeped in reality need to be more faithful to the source material to continue the logic of the story.

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If the change makes sense, then yes; I'd agree with you. Getting back to Dracula, the changes made in BSD make no sense, at least from my perspective,because they added themes that the 1897 novel did not even hint at. Here, I am referring to reincarnation, Elisabeta, etc. Now, BSD was very good from a artistic level. The sets were spectacular and the cinematography was excellent as well. It was the script that failed, at least IMO, as it strayed too far from the novel.

Getting back to this series, and the source novel, I understand that the 1963 film is very faithful the Shirley Jackson's 1951 work. I have it on DVD and it is excellent.

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They didn't butcher the novel. They just took the title and made an entirely different story and used some of the same character names.

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They didn't butcher the novel. They just took the title and made an entirely different story and used some of the same character names.


I have to disagree with you. To me, their making too many changes in the source material is butchery. You can call it what you want; I call it butchery.

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I liked this and I also liked the original.
They are totally different stories so the answer may have been to just give this one a different title..
The "source" material is no more a source than many other haunted house films

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1. No, you're clearly not the only one who doesn't care about accuracy to source material. Otherwise this show wouldn't be so popular. Otherwise, all these comic book movies wouldn't be so ridiculously successful.

2. An a writer myself, and a film and book fan in general, I have to strongly disagree with this idea that "story-tellers have every right to do their own thing with the source material if they want to." First off, the writer of the original story is the story-teller in that instance, NOT the script-writer or director. All they are SUPPOSED to be doing, is adapting that story to the screen. If you ask me, ESPECIALLY when it is a first time adaptation, ala The Shining, you have a responsibility to the book, its author, its fans, and to your audience, to be faithful to the source you're allegedly adapting. If you, as a screen-writer or director, want to tell your own story? Then make up your OWN story. Don't use someone else's work, to piggy-back your ideas and vision onto the screen, cashing in on the name value and fans of the book to do so.

I am well aware that Hollywood, and film in general, has a long sordid history with taking original literary works, and altering them, sometimes almost entirely, when making a film "Adaptation". There times, such as honestly with this show, where the "Adaptation" barely resembles the source material whatsoever. Just using the name and basic concepts, maybe a few character names. That has been done a LOT throughout film history. And I'm saying it shouldn't. I don't buy the notion, especially in this day and age with the filmmaking technologies available, that "you can't do a 100% faithful adaptation of a book to film". That, simply put, is bulls***. For one thing, it's already been done, on the rare occasion. And for another, again, with today's means, there are zero legitimate excuses to deviate, especially wildly, from the source material.

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I never understood the phrases "butchering the source material," or "altering the story." To me, it does nothing but chain the film down and denies it to the right to be what it wants to be. The book is still there, and it's still the same story. Nothing happened to it and no damage is done by the fact that a different version of the tale was told.

And no, I would never say in today's age you can't adapt a book accurately. If that's what a film-maker wants to do, he can. What I'm saying is, you don't need to. I don't think a film has any responsibility to the source material's fans, I think the only responsibility a film-maker has is to owe the audience a great experience. And I think it's unfair to say that a film is piggy-backing on the source material, because sometimes a great story has to wear its lineage on its sleeve, sometimes, a director/writer has to tell his version of a story. Stanley Kubrick committed no crime, because he he made a great goddamn film, and he had to do so by plucking the seeds from an established story, than so be it. A story is as distinct and delineated from its creator as a child is from its father.

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If it turns out good, I don't either.

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