"The Hellfire Club were the villains in an earlier version of the script, dude. They were just replaced with those aliens due to studio mandate."
So then they were not in the movie.
"They look like them,"
In that the Hellfire Club look like people and so do the aliens. Jessica Chastain's character has hair that is similar to Emma Frost, I guess. And she's the only named alien as the rest just stand in the background and rarely talk. It's not like we get a team of bad guys with individual characteristics.
"have a mansion like them,"
Well, they took one over for about one scene, anyway.
"and have the same goal as them as in the comic"
Their goal in this movie is all over the place. First, they want the PF to rebuild their planet, then they just want to take over the world. The Hellfire club never wanted to rebuild a planet as they were never aliens. They do have some goals about world domination but that's pretty generic badguy stuff.
"It follows the same plot beats as the Hellfire Club arc"
Aside from badguys wanting Jean for her PF powers, the stories have nothing in common. It was more to do with the overall saga (getting the PF on a mission in space, fighting aliens, the D'Bari getting their homeworld destroyed, the apparent "death" of Jean) than it does the Hellfire storyline. For instance, Jean is never brainwashed into the Black Queen, she never turns into Dark Phoenix despite the title of the movie, and once again... none of the members of the Hellfire Club appear.
"Do you understand the storyline beyond a surface level? Do you understand what the themes and characterization of Jean in the original? Seriously, I want to know."
Yes. This is why I said what I said.
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PussyMonster (294)
4 years ago
She looks like Emma Frost because she was her in earlier version of the script. That is the reason why she wanted Jean to kill Magneto and Charles. The change happened at the last minute because Fox wanted to use the Skrulls before Marvel but realized that they needed their permission, so they were changed to the D’Bari.
Also, the Hellfire Club in First Class wanted to wipe out humanity and have their kind rule the world. Which is the exact same goal as the aliens in the movie.
The Hellfire Club arc started when Jean fought Magneto and accidentally “killed“ the X-Men. That traumatized Jean and the Hellfire Club took advantage of her fragile mind, manipulating her into thinking the X-Men were her enemies as the Black Queen. Jean comes to her senses and helps the X-Men defeat the bad guys. However, Jean’s repressed dark side consumes her and She becomes the Dark Phoenix, then flies off into space to destroy a planet.
This is pretty much happened in the movie. Jean accidentally kills an X-Men (Mystique) and gets traumatized (even more). The Emma Frost-like alien takes advantage of this and manipulates Jean into thinking the X-Men are her enemies. But Jean comes to her senses and helps the X-Men but is consumed by her dark side that Charles repressed and becomes the Phoenix. Then she flies off into space.
Now remember that vision of the future from X-Men: Apocalypse? Of a world being destroyed by fire? That would have happened in the sequel, which is now cancelled. So she did become the Dark Phoenix at the very end.
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AP (5259)
4 years ago
"She looks like Emma Frost because she was her in earlier version of the script. That is the reason why she wanted Jean to kill Magneto and Charles. The change happened at the last minute because Fox wanted to use the Skrulls before Marvel but realized that they needed their permission, so they were changed to the D’Bari."
Okay, you say she was meant to be Emma Frost but you also say she was meant to eb a Skrull. Which is it? Not that it matters too much.
"The Hellfire Club arc started when Jean fought Magneto and accidentally “killed“ the X-Men. That traumatized Jean and the Hellfire Club took advantage of her fragile mind, manipulating her into thinking the X-Men were her enemies as the Black Queen. Jean comes to her senses and helps the X-Men defeat the bad guys. However, Jean’s repressed dark side consumes her and She becomes the Dark Phoenix, then flies off into space to destroy a planet."
Nothing like that happened in this movie. Also, that was the previous story in the saga, not the Hellfire Club story.
"This is pretty much happened in the movie. Jean accidentally kills an X-Men (Mystique) and gets traumatized (even more). The Emma Frost-like alien takes advantage of this and manipulates Jean into thinking the X-Men are her enemies. But Jean comes to her senses and helps the X-Men but is consumed by her dark side that Charles repressed and becomes the Phoenix. Then she flies off into space."
The Hellfire Club story starts with Mastermind wanting inclusion into the Club, so he brainwashes Jean. She snaps out of it when she thinks Scott dies. The only similarity here is that Jean goes to space at the end of both stories. Besides that, she already had her death/redemption at the end of this movie. If the next movie was meant to start off with her already evil, then that would make this ending pointless.
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PussyMonster (294)
4 years ago
I meant that she was original meant to be Emma Frost but right before filming started the studio mandated that the Skrulls be the villains instead.
Are you really saying that Jean doesn’t accidentally get a teammate killed? That the aliens don’t try to manipulate her and turn her against her allies but helps them in the end?
The set-up for the arc happens in Uncanny X-Men #114. Mastermind wouldn’t have been able to manipulate Jean if she didn’t think her teammates were dead. Technically the whole saga started in Uncanny X-Men #100.
She didn’t die, she just gave into the power.
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AP (5259)
4 years ago
"Are you really saying that Jean doesn’t accidentally get a teammate killed?"
Killing a teammate on accident in battle is not the same as being shown an illusion of your team dying.
"That the aliens don’t try to manipulate her and turn her against her allies but helps them in the end?"
She was never brainwashed by anyone, nor did the aliens get her to attack the team. They said they needed the power to restore their planet and she was okay doing that. Any fighting she did against her teammates was of her own accord and happened mostly before she ever met the aliens.
"Mastermind wouldn’t have been able to manipulate Jean if she didn’t think her teammates were dead."
When Mastermind confronted Jean, he made her think she was an ancestor living in another time with the help of Emma Frost's machine.
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PussyMonster (294)
4 years ago
It wasn’t an illusion. You might be thinking of something else. It was similar to how Bucky “died” in The First Avengers.
Yeah, she was. The alien made Jean think that Xavier was trying to kill her like Beast and Magneto for the death of Mystique. She almost killed him. Jean didn’t even know about her true intentions.
That wasn’t their first confrontation. This was:
https://imgur.com/ww9QNBs
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