Was Ramses a black person?
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shareAccording to google no.
"Although applying modern racial categories to Ancient Egyptians is completely anachronistic, were the Pharaoh Ramesses II to appear to us today as he did in life, he'd likely be identified as a “white-passing” Middle Eastern/North African person."
Also:
"Mainstream scholars reject the notion that Egypt was a white or black civilization; they maintain that applying modern notions of black or white races to ancient Egypt is anachronistic.[6][7][8] In addition, scholars reject the notion, implicit in the notion of a black or white Egypt hypothesis, that Ancient Egypt was racially homogeneous; instead, skin color varied between the peoples of Lower Egypt, Upper Egypt, and Nubia, who in various eras rose to power in Ancient Egypt. Within Egyptian history, despite multiple foreign invasions, the demographics were not shifted substantially by large migrations."
"In 2022, Danielle Candelora criticised how modern DNA studies are misused for political and racist agendas. As an example she cites the media echo about the Schuenemann genome study published in 2017, which was "sensationalized in the media as proof that Egyptians were not black Africans" in spite of its methodological limits, and taken by white suprematists as "scientific evidence" to justify their view on the achievements of the Ancient Egyptian civilisation. Candelora also noted that the media overlooked methodological limitations with the study such as the "untested sampling methods, small sample size, and problematic comparative data".[81] However a follow-up study in 2022 sampled six different excavation sites along the entire length of the Nile Valley, spanning 4000 years of Egyptian history, and the 18 high quality mitochondrial genomes that were reconstructed which the authors argued supported the results from the 2017 Schuenemann genome study."
Those DNA samples were taken in a limited area in the latter period of Egyptian history (not 4,000 years) after Greeks, Romans and other foreigners had already conquered the area.
"we note that all our genetic data were obtained from a single site in Middle Egypt and may not be representative for all of ancient Egypt. It is possible that populations in the south of Egypt were more closely related to those of Nubia (black) and had a higher sub-Saharan genetic component"
"Throughout Pharaonic history there was intense interaction between Egypt and Nubia, ranging from trade to conquest and colonialism, and there is compelling evidence for ethnic complexity within households with Egyptian men marrying Nubian women and vice versa"
It would be like excavating Maine in 1920s and finding only white cadavers and concluding there are no Black people in America.
Ramses built his temple in South Egypt and he lived in an earlier era - 19th Dynasty. Ramses II was black, also. Look at his sculptures and paintings. Ramses III was determined to be black by DNA test.
Ancient Greek historians like Herodotus already stated that their Egyptian neighbors were black. You have to get beyond the white supremacy which is rampant. There is a reason why black history is being banned in schools now. Use your noggin!
Why don't you read ALL?
Mainly last paragraph: "However a follow-up study in 2022 sampled six different excavation sites along the entire length of the Nile Valley, spanning 4000 years of Egyptian history, and the 18 high quality mitochondrial genomes that were reconstructed which the authors argued supported the results from the 2017 Schuenemann genome study."
"It would be like excavating Maine in 1920s and finding only white cadavers and concluding there are no Black people in America."
No imbecile, it's your side that is idiotic, you're the one that after excavating white cadavers concludes that all the population is ... black, You imbecile don't even understand that that proves that NO, NOT ALL EGYPTIAN Population is black. The Nubians are black, but extrapolating the blackness to ALL Egyptians is not only moronic but is contradicted by archeological evidence.
You are exactly like that grandma in the trailer "I don't care what the evidence shows, they are all black".
About Herodotus, it is false:
"The key word in the original Greek of the passage is “melanchroes.” Contrary to what Afrocentrists claim, it does not mean “black,” in the sense of belonging to the black race. For that, Greek authors would have used “aethiops” (etymologically, “burned face”), the term that indisputably referred to Nubians and other peoples in what is today Sub-Saharan Africa. Herodotus does not refer to Egyptians with this term. Furthermore, in the very same passage quoted above, Herodotus implies that Colchians and Egyptians are of the same stock. Colchis is on the shores of the Black Sea, hardly an area inhabited by black people. Melanchroes means simply “dark-skinned,” a term that sometimes the Greeks even applied to themselves and other not-so-dark peoples, such as Syrians."
Black supremacists always trying to steal the accomplishments of other races ...
You must be illiterate!
Unlike you, I read the entire research paper. Not just an edited quote like you.
Your own quote from Danielle Candelora confirms what I just wrote about white supremacists like yourself misrepresenting the flawed research and she "criticised how modern DNA studies are misused for political and racist agendas".
The original researchers already pointed out the many flaws to their study which Candelora and I mentioned:
"Candelora also noted that the media overlooked methodological limitations with the study such as the "untested sampling methods, small sample size, and problematic comparative data".
Other scientists also complained about the flawed research and confirmed Egyptians were black:
"The researchers cautioned that the affinities of the examined ancient Egyptian specimens may not be representative of those of all ancient Egyptians since they were from a single archaeological site".
"Gourdine et al criticised the methodology of the Scheunemann et al study and argued that the Sub-Saharan "genetic affinities" may be attributed to "early settlers" and "the relevant Sub-Saharan genetic markers" do not correspond with the geography of known trade routes"." That means ancient black Egyptians rather than more recent arrivals.
"In 2023, Christopher Ehret criticised the conclusions of the 2017 study which proposed the ancient Egyptians had a Levantine background based on insufficient sampling and a biased interpretation of the genetic data. Ehret argued this was reminiscent of earlier scholarship and also conflicted with existing archaeological, linguistic and biological anthropological evidence which situated ancient Egypt in a northeastern African context." Again, admitted flawed research and Ancient Egyptians were black.
The so-called 2022 follow-up study doesn't exist. If you can find it, then link it.
The full quote from Herodotus …
“For the fact is as I soon came to realise myself, and then heard from others later, that the Colchians are obviously Egyptian. When the notion occurred to me, I asked both the Colchians and the Egyptians about it, and found that the Colchians had better recall of the Egyptians than the Egyptians did of them. Some Egyptians said that they thought the Colchians originated with Sesostris’ army, but I myself guessed their Egyptian origin not only because the Colchians are dark-skinned and curly-haired (which does not count for much by itself , because these features are common in others too) but more importantly because Colchians, Egyptians and Ethiopians are the only peoples in the world who practise circumcision and who have always done so."
Now, you're calling Ethiopians white, too! ROTFLMAO!!
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRfliK3-BbByIs9BUzmhiDGesUeRkzSa8g1ow&usqp=CAU
You're blind AND illiterate: rif.org
If you're saying Greeks are black also, then a black actress playing Cleopatra shouldn't be a problem for you!!!
Try to cure your white supremacy and racism.
You call others illiterate but you cannot understand the written word?
1. It doesn't matter if it was only one site or 6 or more. That proves that the Egyptians are very diverse and NOT just black as you idiot think.
About Herodotus:
"Colchians, Egyptians and Ethiopians are the only peoples in the world who practise circumcision" - THAT DOESN'T MAKE ALL OF THEM BLACK YOU IDIOT. Read it again. If I like fried chicken that doesn't make me black you imbecile.
Also:
"In classical antiquity and Greco-Roman geography, Colchis was an exonym for the Georgian polity of Egrisi located on the coast of the Black Sea, centered in present-day western Georgia."
Do you know where Georgia is? No, it is NOT in Africa ...
"dark-skinned and curly-haired" - that DOESN'T MEAN BLACK. We have "dark skinned and curly-haired" white Europeans as well, like some of the Greeks. I don't know why idiots like you think that white means ONLY Snow White with blue eyes while black means anything from a darker shade of white to deep black ,,,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSJXTSTI_tI
You're a fucking ignorant idiot that cannot read.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Egypt
Were there blacks in Egypt? Of course. Were ALL Egyptians BLACK? OF COURSE NOT!!!
You're a fucking illiterate black supremacist moron.