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So in the end the main character's story boils down to....


After all of the alien linguistic studies and *beep* Louise is granted an amazing gift. She now has the power to see that she will have about 6-7 years of pure joy, followed by absolute devastation. Um.. any more helpful powers you can hand out Mr. giant-alien gorilla-paw-guy?

That whole enjoy the journey voice over ending was pure BS too. I'm pretty sure she wasn't "enjoying" *beep* in the zero-sum game flash-forward. She's clearly bitter that her husband is gone and now she's waiting for her daughter's death...fun times.

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Damn, I missed the part with the giant-alien gorilla-paw guy.

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Watching "Arrival" and "Kong: Skull Island" back to back will cause cross-contamination in one's memories. :-)

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This movie lacks common sense.
But it is supplemented with bad science.

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> This movie lacks common sense. But it is supplemented with bad science.

Damn, that's harsh.. It really didn't have all that much "science" though. What technology was there was so far advanced that it simply wasn't open to much analysis on a scientific level.

What about the movie lacked "common sense"? What do you feel was the "bad science"?

I'll tell you one thing, as a linguist, I thought the movie was awesome... but then again you don't get many movies about hard in-depth linguistics very often, so it was a real treat.

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That's cool. I assume that it did a good job representing your field, then?

Whatever it's merits re: linguistics, I have to agree with the others about the "nonlinear time" stuff, which brought it down to the level of a Star Trek episode but without the fun.

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Without a doubt its the most in-depth movie about linguistics I've ever seen. And not only is it in-depth about linguistics in general, but specifically about the Sapir Whorf hypothesis which is about the nature of how language is responsible for how we perceive the world around us, and those who learn different languages perceive the world around them. The concept of how time is perceived by different cultures is one of the big central questions in the hypothesis. Without a doubt it is one of the concepts that has generated the most controversy about the hypothesis. There are languages out there which do not make distinctions about grammatical tense. It is one of the great questions in linguistics, how does the brain of a person who grew up not making a distinction about the past present or future differ from someone who grew up always thinking of things in terms of past present and future. And how does that 'innate understanding' effect how they perceive other things in this world?

Because so much of our world is colored by the languages we grow up speaking, the different concepts on linear and nonlinear time are explored heavily in areas outside of linguistics.The circular and non-linear nature of time is something touched upon in Eastern philosophy and religion, especially Hinduism and Buddhism. That was the sort of vibe that I got from the movie. The literal ability to see into the future is a metaphorical gift of accepting the true nature of life.

Without a doubt there is no great big leap in exploring non-linear time within the context of an alien language, the only real obvious leap is making the implication that this would allow someone to see the future. I kind of saw the Universal Language as allowing a sentient being to unlock an already innate ability, as opposed to the language somehow instilling the ability itself. I don't really have a big problem with that part, theres nothing wrong with a little science fiction in our science fiction.

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I feel like there is an important distinction that really needs to be made. She doesn't "see" the future, so much as experience all times at once. Her brain has been rewired to view time non-linearly. She isn't any more bitter at the end of her life than she was before her child was conceived, because time has ceased to be linear for her. That's why when she first finds her self in Ian's arms she mentions how much she had missed being held by him.

I also feel like you have also glossed over the fact that it isn't that the gift was the power, the gift was the language itself. The aliens didn't rewire her brain, the language did that. This is a hugely important distinction because it is at the root of the Sapir-Worph hypothesis, which they actually talk about a little in the movie.

This wasn't a gift for her, it was a gift for humanity. The reason why the aliens gifted humanity the gift is specifically to rewire humanity's brain for when it comes time for humanity to help the aliens in 3000 years. What they will need help with is anyone's guess, but it is clear that the aliens require humanity to think non-linearly about time.

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She doesn't "see" the future, so much as experience all times at once. Her brain has been rewired to view time non-linearly.


Maybe I'm just too dull for this, but I guess I don't see the real distinction between "see" and "experience/view". If she is experiencing or viewing an event which has not yet occurred, how is that different from seeing the future?

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The idea was that she wasn't seeing the future from the past in a sense that she could try to change the future, but rather she was aware of her whole life all at once. It was a horrible idea which is why your rejecting it like we all did when we all saw it. :( Basically they were trying to say she became omniscient by learning the alien language which is pretty dumb but I'm sure a lot of people are convinced that made this an intelligent film.

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But we know physics does not allow that ... so it is stupid.

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<< Um.. any more helpful powers you can hand out Mr. giant-alien gorilla-paw-guy? >>

You know, They're probably reading all this right now, Einstein.

Way to go.
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It was all for a clever trick in the movie ... that is why I did not like it. I was curious about it from the previews, saw the movie, and then realized again that I had been hooked by a cool ad campaign. More and more I just do not bother to see new movies, because 99% of them turn out to be garbage.

This was a visual special effects movie ... that's all.

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Regardless of the overall quality of the movie, I, for one, was impressed that they came up with some truly alien looking aliens, instead of the worn out Star Trek-ish concept that all intelligent beings end up looking basically like humans, bilaterally symmetric, two arms, two legs, head on top. There was a freshness to how these beings looked, and some real imagination in the depiction of how they communicated. The first time they did their ink pictograms, I wondered if the translation team was gonna have to somehow get an octopus or squid as intermediary.

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