Normal people want to be like their heroes - SJW's want their heroes to be like them ...
This is a key issue with every form of media today.
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shareI never thought of it that way before, but that is super-insightful. It says a lot about the temperament of someone who stands up and says, "I don't need an idol, not because I don't believe in them, but because I believe I am them."
Devil's advocate: is that because a lot of SJWs don't have heroes like them in media already? Demographics of SJWs are not the prevalent demographics in media.
Another point: how necessary is it to "see yourself" on a screen or in a book? In other words, do the SJWs have a point - albeit one buried under foolishness and zealotry?
A lot of good points - I think the issue that existing fans take away from this is that there seems to be a lot of 'rebranding' of existing superheroes as SJW tropes as opposed to the development of new characters and franchises instead.
shareYeah, I've felt that. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what makes characters work (you can't just change parts around and say it's the same story), it's a foundation of propaganda, too (more like commercials than movies), and yes, it's taking stories and trying to erase them and replace them.
On the other hand, I do think it's great to see films like Get Out coming out, and I think it's cool that franchises like Star Wars are opening up and we get to see female leads and so forth. I just wish the writing in Star Wars was better.
Back to your original point, though, it is a good skewering of the SJW mindset to notice that they want to shape others into themselves; it's very egocentric.
Agree regarding Star Wars - noone cares that the hero is female ... but the character is terribly written to the point where she doesn't make sense. Such a shame.
shareI'd also cite Jyn Erso and Cassian Andor from Rogue One. They were hailed as more diverse heroes (even though they just rubber-stamped the white female/non-white male pairing from Episode VII - fingerprints of committeethink) and I think it's super-cool hearing stories of women and non-white people getting excited to be included. That stuff is heartwarming and you feel like the Star Wars galaxy is big and accommodating and full of love. But then you watch the movie and those characters are bland, bland, bland, bland, bland. The droid was the only original, interesting character in the whole movie. Mads Mikkelson and Forrest Whittaker always deliver good performances, but had nothing to work with, and Donnie Yen's character was neat, but practically a cliche from samurai movies. Why not write better, more interesting characters? Does it cost extra?
shareAgree with Yen, like they had actual Kung Fu characters, down to the point of raising Chinese proverbs, in a Star Wars movie 'because China money'.
shareYeah. And it's a shame, because Yen turned in a good performance (actually, I think the cast were pretty good in RO, even though the movie was dull), and the character wasn't bad, it just wasn't written any deeper than a stock character. Which is especially baffling because that character would be even more stale in China, wouldn't it? Like, Western audiences would be less familiar with the blind monk (although still likely pretty familiar with him).
shareI was watching one of Doomcock's videos the other day, where he was discussing Mary Sue's with his pet, Harvey Cthulu, and Harvey brought up something very interesting. The reason many SJW's don't think their "strong female characters" should have to work for anything and have everything handed to them, is because they themselves are used to having things handed to them (such as welfare perks) and don't appreciate the hard work it takes to get anything. (Another example are these spoiled, 3rd-generation movie producers and directors who rode on their parents' coattails into their job, without having to work too hard for it).
A lot of SJW's are lazy, spoiled, perfectly healthy and able people, but are on welfare for some reason or other, and have never had to work a day in their lives, so they're bored and join causes they don't believe in because it brings excitement into their lives. Half of them don't even know why they're doing it, not realizing the tv manipulated the way they think in their small minds, convincing them to believe whatever the talking heads told them to believe. They think visiting such dogshit on the rest of the American public is gonna sway us into thinking the same way and liking the same things, and now they're finding out just how few people actually agree with their worldviews.