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Women who made the original trilogy vs women who made the modern one


For whoever doesn't know, one woman was essential in the making of the original trilogy: Marcia Lucas. She fixed A New Hope in the cutting room, remaking the whole movie and saving what was considered to be a sure flop. She got the Oscar because of it. And probably the prequels would have been a lot better if she would have been still there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFMyMxMYDNk

And then you have the women behind the modern trilogy, the Gender Studies team:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/22/movies/star-wars-last-jedi-women-run-universe.html

Kids, remember: this is what happens when you stop hiring women when they're damn good at their job and you start hiring them to fill the gender quota (among other quotas) ^^

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Well said, if you look up their names on IMDb, You'll find their work history before SW is laughable.

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I don't believe I'm saying this, but everyone has to start somewhere. The problem is not their lack of experience, the problem is that they are simply not suited to do the job.

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But you don't start with the highest budget franchise of the year. You start small, show your skill, then get into bigger projects.

Marcia Lucas, for example, was editing movies for several years before joining George Lucas. And she edited THX-1138, which was Lucas' first movie and a low budget one. And then American Graffiti (which was the 2nd highest box office in 1973) and then, the Star Wars trilogy.

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Yeah, Marvel, the highest budget franchise of the year. Did they start there?

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Agreed.

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"Kathleen Kennedy founded the group in 2012 when she succeeded George Lucas as president of Lucasfilm, putting Kiri Hart, a former film and TV writer, in charge of the unit. Ms. Hart’s first move was to make the story group entirely female, starting with Rayne Roberts and Carrie Beck. Both women had experience in film development but had also worked in other arenas — Ms. Roberts in magazine publishing, and Ms. Beck with the Sundance Institute."

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Basically professionals and idealists vs. amateurs and political ideologists

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Thank you and could not agree more!!! Especially Marcia...Marcia Marcia Marcia!

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The Death Star trench run would have been nowhere as iconic without her.

Autocorrect tried to accentuate it as "French" run, putting a whole new meaning on A NEW HOPE.

~~/o/

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Great post kuku, really enjoyed the editing video.

The original Star Wars is a special film, and I highly recommend looking into the "Despecialized" versions of the original trilogy mentioned in that video.

The key takeaway is this: the focus of the OT was on making the best film they could make. The focus of of new Star Wars is to ensure that race and diversity quotas are filled, that women have more spoken lines than men, and that timely political messages are inserted. That's why the OT are timeless classics, while I'm afraid these new movies will age horribly and look silly in a few years.

The giant irony (and the giant tell of the true intentions) of these modern SJW filmmakers is that the original Star Wars, while perhaps not having too many modern human races on display (because there was no need for it) had an incredibly diverse number of aliens! One of the reasons that the new films don't feel like Star Wars is because the characters are almost all human. Whoops! I guess the Star Wars diversity police forgot about aliens (because it's not actually about "diversity...")

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Wow. So the head of the 'Story group' of one of the most influential film sagas in history has the following writing credits to her name:

One episode of "1-800-Missing"
and
one episode of "Crossing Jordan"

Anybody remember these classics from 2003???

This is exactly the problem with discriminatory hiring policies (well aside from the moral issues!) - you don't get the best person for the job. By definition.

We can only dream of the Star Wars that could have been made if they'd only chosen people based on ability rather than the topography of their genitals.

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Exactly.
Now the thing everyone is concerned with is how 'inclusive' the movie is. It's all they talk about. Same with the press round for Rogue One. Noting about the story, its all about diversity! yeahh! Because thats why I watch Star Wars?

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"For whoever doesn't know, one woman was essential in the making of the original trilogy: Marcia Lucas. She fixed A New Hope in the cutting room, remaking the whole movie and saving what was considered to be a sure flop."

That's a classic feminist myth. Marcia Lucas only worked on the Battle of Yavin scene. Her contribution was to add the element of the Death Star approaching the moon that the Rebel base was on in order to blow it up, which she did by adding insert shots and voice overs. The person who did the bulk of the editing was Paul Hirsch.

"She got the Oscar because of it."

I guess you didn't notice the other two people on the editing team who won the same Oscar:

Winner
Oscar
Best Film Editing
Paul Hirsch
Marcia Lucas
Richard Chew


Additionally, Gary Kurtz had a lot of input that resulted in George Lucas' dumber ideas being discarded and replaced with better ideas.

"And probably the prequels would have been a lot better if she would have been still there:"

No. What the prequels needed was Gary Kurtz and Paul Hirsch.

By the way, all movies are "fixed" in the cutting room. Without editing, all you have is a disjointed collection of outtakes. The reason this "saved in the cutting room" story is so popular for Star Wars is because the first editor that Lucas hired did a particularly bad job of it, and no one had to tell Lucas it was bad either. He was the one who fired the first editor and hired Paul Hirsch and Richard Chew. Marcia just sort of tagged along because she was an editor and his wife. Another reason for the popularity is the feminist angle, to the point that the story has morphed into giving Marcia Lucas sole credit, even though she wasn't the primary editor.

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