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The way they disrespected the past (spoilers)

posted 6 years ago by ksi (49)
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My background on this movie, zero, I watched no trailer, zero promotional images, no posters, no behind the scenes, I knew only the title, I watched away and covered my ears when a trailer or image appeared, I am not a super fan but know the movies from the 80s - 90s.

I hated this movie, it was the sum of all the little things from the very beginning with the lightsaber tossing, the endless Marvel CU style comic relief, the new characters with zero background that feel hammered in to force a "hope" message for the future movies, the pointless filling with story arcs on casinos, the extremely stupid dead of the main bad guy, Yoda casting lightning storms (why didn't he appear in front of Snoke before and killed him with lightning or some other magic trick), etc.

But, I could have forgotten ALL of that if they would have respected Luke at least at the very end of the movie, if they would have pulled another "Yoda fight" scene ala Episode 2 next to final scene, something to show that Luke's power go beyond of a stupid force teleportation (cool but that was the last thing you will see of that iconic character and his years of training before going crazy), that character deserved better in a lot of ways.

I am all up open for the future, they can change all they want to get rid of the Lucas stories or the Skywalkers, but the way they threw everything away seems very hasty and uncalled for, at least give your characters a proper ending, even Han Solo had a better ending than Luke's (and that is saying a lot).

[–] therefdotcom (964) 6 years ago

eff you and the other pseudo fans. one woud think that people would be greatful after episode 1-3, but noooooooo the same idiotic nitpicking as if it never happened.

just as bad as camic book "fans". damn, i was happy about each and every film version of my favorite characters, except for one single exception: tank girl. they missed the point so badly, it just wasn't possible to justify.

at least you people get new movies, or movies at all. i have been waiting for a "love and rockets" film/tv incarnation for years.

[–] janelsenor (2042) 6 years ago

What's a "psuedo fan"?

[–] therefdotcom (964) 6 years ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudo-

PS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHLJfxfXHBg

[–] janelsenor (2042) 6 years ago

So a "real fan" has to like every entry in the series?

[–] therefdotcom (964) 6 years ago

how did you got that from the wikipedia entry? xD

[–] LibHater (99) 6 years ago

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[–] erisedwitch45 (13) 6 years ago

I didn't feel Rian mismanaged Luke's character. If anything, Luke Skywalker comes off across as the "legend" that the new gen (in the movies) think him to be. He shows why that tag of "legend" and "hope" is worth deserving of him. I think Luke's ending was much better than Han's. Luke saved the rebellion. The true hero in this movie is Luke.

[–] maximmm (3076) 6 years ago

You do an illusion trick and then kick the bucket due to heart attack- nothing legendary about that.

If he were to bring down a few walkers with a wave of his hand - that would have been by far more impressive.

Yoda was a legend, but his death was far from being legendary as well - but he at least did teach Luke a lot in 2 films.
Luke didn't even get that much done with Rey - in the sense that we didn't get to see much of training, as was the case with Yoda.

All in all, it was all kind of meh.

BUT - I'm one of the people that didn't think much of the sequels and prequels, so I wasn't expecting to see much here - and not much is what I got. Besides, with Han being retired early, there wasn't much hope to see the trio together one last time, or to see them all go out together in the last blaze of glory.

Next film? You've got no one worth mentioning left. None of the new characters were well developed, because the writers/directors were too busy focusing on how to take out the old trio. As such, I fully expect the last film to be an even bigger crapper than this film.

[–] Frogarama (12942) 6 years ago

The one thing I liked about Luke facing Kylo the way he did is that Luke was showing Kylo he wasn't going to fight, he wasn't going to harm him, almost like apologizing for even considering killing him long ago.

In that regard, it's a well thought out element.

[–] Greenleaf24 (126) 6 years ago

I’ve thought about that too but was it a conscious decision on Luke’s part bc of what you said or was it bc he was a projection and literally couldn’t do anything? If it’s a silent apology to Ben, then I love that idea!

[–] Frogarama (12942) 6 years ago

Luke was living in the past over his failure with Ben. He had to let the past go, and that would require Luke showing Ben that he will not fight him. Not sure if Ben got the message though...

[–] Greenleaf24 (126) 6 years ago

Yeah, not sure. Ben can be kind of dense, lol. However, wasn’t Kylo’s last scene of him kneeling with his head down? A very somber pose.

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

Luke went out like a philosophical/spiritual master, serenely surrendering himself to The Force after having exhausting all of his life energies. I found this quite fitting.

[–] AP (5259) 6 years ago

I disagree about Han’s death. I thought he had a terrble death that wasn’t respectful at all.

[–] FredBurroughs (19798) 6 years ago

How can you not respect that Jar Jar Abrams made him get duped by an obviously stupid trick before lazily slumping over and falling to the side?

[–] AP (5259) 6 years ago

Or that the main witnesses to his death were two poorly written new characters who barely knew him. Or that the character had been reset to being a single smuggler instead of a loving husband to Leia and a military general?

[–] ksi (49) 6 years ago

So, if you dislike the movie:
- You are not fan enough apparently (pseudo-fan some say), you either love it or eff you pseudo-fan.
- You did not understand the hidden messages even though it is just fan speculation (a way to cope with the loss) on a lazy dead of Luke and a quick way to get rid of the Skywalkers and force the new characters as soon as possible without the weight of the old stories.

The Han Solo death was more meaningful to the overall story, there can't be anything darker than killing your own father, luring him with a cute face and giving a faint hope of redemption, that darkness was what the character needed to get closer to what used to be known as the dark side (something that might get blurred in the future movies where they could explore between sides like Rey on this movie).

Han didn't have superpowers that could be used like Luke's to defeat the new order that could extend the story, if Luke REALLY wanted to help the resistance he would have gone directly against Snoke himself just like he did against the emperor in the old movies (not what I was expecting at all but it is better speculation than arguing that Luke just wanted to buy the resistance some time to escape).

If you like speculations:
"Mark Hamill NEVER Knew About Luke's Fate in The Last Jedi?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FntZKz9fXp8

They might have gotten so fed up with the Jedis, the Skywalkers and most of the old movies that they even forced the dead of Luke hiding it from the actors (rampant speculation of course).

[–] AP (5259) 6 years ago

What is so cute about Kylo Ren? He's a whiny emo and a Vader wannabe who keeps getting his ass handed to him.

[–] ksi (49) 6 years ago

To most parents their kids never cease to be cute, that kind of cuteness I mean, the way he looked at Han just before killing him making Han think that he was safe with the face he knew for so many years.

[–] AP (5259) 6 years ago

True but they could have done better. Han should have gone out in a blaze of glory.