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Thank you!! That’s the first thing I said. There were a shit ton of time jumps, especially at the end. And why does Rick look like Santa? Lol
Kind of a meh episode for a premier. Ending was bad, Father Gabriel should have just shot Negan for Pete’s sake! Just my opinion though. 🙂

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Gabriel probably ran out of ammo. The more important question is: How did Negan know that? I can only conclude that, since he was watching him struggle and not firing his gun against the walkers, he assumed he was out of ammo.

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Yeah maybe. I guess I didn’t notice that. Hmm 🤔

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It looks like they are layering different timelines over each other, and it is all about Rick (even though they keep telling him it's not). There is the scene of Rick at the beginning of the pilot, reenacted by Carl with the gas can, later in that scene we see Rick shoot at the guy and Carl gets mad at him. This is the Rick who didn't trust strangers when he rolled into Alexandria. The hospital Rick from the first episode that changes to the old man "mercy" Rick we haven't seen on TV yet (this version of Rick is in the comics). There's a version of Rick giving the speech that is similar to when they were going to kill everyone at the satellite dish outpost, and when they start moving the vehicles, it is like the plan they had at the prison to lure the Gov's people inside. The broken Rick from the beginning of season 7 with red around his eyes. The no mercy Rick who cut the zombie free to eat that guy. And the Rick who was gonna kill Negan.

They also call back to different moments in the show, like the top of the RV. Prior to that there was an explosion somewhere else when one of the saviors threw a grenade, the smoke with the zombie sounds was like when Negan pushed Rick out of the RV. There's a ton of other stuff, they jumped around in time to make it easier to work in all the callbacks/easter eggs.

Plotwise, I think there's a lot of stuff that happened from the season 7 finale to the scene with Rick, Ezekiel, Maggie on the truck giving the speeches and the next few episodes will be about that.

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I like your analysis and it makes sense why it felt all over the place. That’s interesting that there were “ten different Ricks” in the episode last night. I feel like I need to watch it again!

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If you look at Judith in the flashforward sequence, this couldn't be more than about five years in the future. Rick's greying beard is just a matter of ... well, they're not exactly making Just for Men anymore. Michonne is only a little bit older looking herself. Someone told me in the comic there's a time jump after the All Out War with the Saviors, several years of good times and prosperity between the allied communities before these new bad guys called the Whisperers show up. No idea what they're about except that they like leading herds of walkers into settlements. But I think this leap forward may in fact be where the show goes next. I thought it was interesting that Rick and his family were living at the Hilltop, not Alexandria. Might the community have fallen?

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Just a little spoiler about the Whisperers , ( if you want it)



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The Whisperers wear zombie skins on themselves




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So basically it's a more disgusting but longer lasting version of the good old smell-o'-zombie camouflage.

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Yes, but it's also sort of a way of life for them.They wear them all the time. Never take them off. They are led by a woman, known as "Alpha" and she has a second in command, a man "Beta".

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I liked it well enough

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There wasn't any blood at all. Just a bunch of dried up zombies and off-camera deaths. Are they trying to make this into a kids show?

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I miss the days when a Walking Dead episode would just play out in chronological order instead of jumping all over the place. This LOST stuff is suited for LOST, not The Walking Dead. Just play the story in the correct order, for crying out loud.

Don't get me wrong, great episode--and Bear's music was incredible, but that's just my nitpick annoyance.

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I'm not a fan of how they did the premiere, but I don't think most episodes do that. In the S7 finale it worked because there was only one time period we jumped to and it became clearer and clearer with each flashback just what was going on. In this case it looks like they wanted to hint at or foreshadow something but it was hard to tell what was happening, where each piece fits, and what the point of Rick's dream sequences was. Best sense anyone seems to be able to make of it is that someone very close to Rick will die, or possibly Rick himself (though I doubt that).

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I think those future flashes are in fact from a few years ahead. There's supposed to be a time jump after the war with the Saviors, and I think we're actually seeing forward to a point just before the Whisperers show up. Like I said earlier if you look at Judith it can't be more than a handful of years from now. She's still a little kid. We may see more bits and pieces of that future as the season goes on.

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I would love if you were right but Michonne says to Carl she "still hurts all over" (paraphrase) and I thought that was supposed to mean their scenes (aside from Rick's dream sequences) took place only a few weeks after the battle at Alexandria. (She should have had some remaining bruise makeup, especially in a Nicotero-directed ep, but I figured they just got lazy. The new Judith looks a little too old but I figured that's just a casting issue.)

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If you're talking about the girl playing on the street in Alexandria I think that is the same kid (or rather one of the same twins) who've been playing Judith all along. The scenes with the new Judith would have to be several years in the future. She looked to be about six or seven. The question is whether that future is real or just a dream of Rick's. And they did mix it up with fragments of scenes closer to now - this episode did a lot of bouncing around.

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