Kane's ass fell out again
Chokes every single time
World Class my ass
My son sent this to me...I actually feel badly for Kane, but I did think this was funny:
https://twitter.com/FootyHumour/status/1601679563838611456?t=lqwZsdMcJASpbbCQfuMEKQ&s=19
This reminds me Sergio Ramos penalty some years ago vs Bayern München
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It's not his fault he is hugely overated and he has done a lot with his career based off of his natural ability but the way ppl bang on about him compared to what he actually produces in Finals or big games it has to noted
There's a bit of a narrative around him of poor Kane Tottenham have held him back if only he played for an elite team ect but he has proven time again with England and Spurs that whenever a chance to win something becomes a real possibility he goes missing or worse
I still haven't forgot Croatia Semi 4 year ago when all he had to do was square it 5 feet and he went for goal and hit side netting
He actually had a decent game and was one of England's best threats besides Saka. The idea that his club and country is holding him back from winning stuff obviously has some truth to it and I say that as a Spurs fan. If he was playing for one of the very big clubs he would win trophies, there is no denying that. And this idea that he's a bottler because he doesn't do enough in these big games, well maybe Ronaldo could be classed as a bottler due to the fact he has failed to score in all eight of his knockout stage appearances at the World Cup. That is 570 minutes and 27 shots without a goal. Lewandowski too only scored his first goal at a World Cup this tournament and has done very little in tournaments for Poland. Does the same apply to him?
England and Spurs are largely getting further than they usually do in competitions because of Kane, not in spite of him.
Well said, from an Arsenal fan.
shareI never realized that about Ronaldo you have just blew my mind there.
The thing is though both of then have done it in big games for their clubs and Poland are shit and hardly make any chances.
Kane has had several chances to decide things and blown it off the top of my head
The Lecester season when Spurs were in contention
The F.A Cup semi vs a then hugely disjionted Man Utd where Jose was on verge of sack and Spurs were favorites
Champions League Final
Last World Cup
Last Night
Theres a reason Man City didn't want to cough up the dough
Both have played for bigger teams where reaching finals is easier and winning things is easier. Ronaldo played for Real Madrid, one of the 2 best clubs in La Liga. Lewandowski played for Bayern Munich, also one of the 2 best teams in the Bundesliga. Kane plays for Spurs and are they one of the 2 best teams in the PL? No, and in fact Tottenham are kind of like England in that they won something important ages ago and can't seem to now. Put him in the Man City team though and he'll win things and of course score in big games while he's at it. He might not do it in all of them but then neither do those 2 players. I don't remember Lewandowski scoring in either CL final he went to for instance.
Just to address a few of the things you listed:
Re: the Leicester season, you do realise he was actually the Golden Boot winner that season, right?
The CL final he had only just come back from injury. Probably shouldn't have been rushed back to play in the game by Poch.
Last Night he still scored a penalty and should have been awarded one but for dodgy refereeing.
But Ronaldo won a Euro's with Portugal in a team that wasn't one of the favs so that was a leveler for him and he scored goals
Lewandowski won the Bundesliga with Dortmund and took them to Champions league final against a prime Bayern Munich
Regarding the Lecester season this is where stats are misleading and ppl refer to them to often when summing up a player, it's not just how many you score, it's how many you score in the pressure moments where it count's Yes he had a great personal season and racked up goals early on against the bottom 8 clubs when when all eyes were on them and ppl were talking about them having a chance to win it with 6 games left he went just a little bit quiter, its margins like the Usain Bolt and the dead last white bloke but it adds up and paints a picture.
He scored a pen last night but what has he done in open play this WC? i can't remember him having a shot on target.
R7 and Lewandowski play for the elite teams because they reckognized their value and got the wallet out, Daniel Levi would have taken 100-120m at any time but the elite teams thought that was a bit too much bacause he's good, but he's not THAT good
Spurs being Spurs or not their was a time under Poch where they were gebuine condenders and had Kane put in a performance just once like he does against random prem teams when there's nothing on it they should have won something for sure
he's very very good but then so was Andy Cole and many others who can rack up numbers in the prem but aren't elite
Look at that Immobile scores 30 goals every season but is considered a donkey for Italy and their fans can't stand him
"But Ronaldo won a Euro's with Portugal in a team that wasn't one of the favs so that was a leveler for him and he scored goals"
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One of the least impressive winners ever and Ronaldo was rubbish for the first 2 games and even missed a penalty himself. I think Portugal only won 1 game in 90 minutes and finished 3rd in their group which usually would put them out but because of the silly nature of the tournament 3rd places were allowed to progress. Also Ronaldo wasn't involved in the final. It's clutching at straws to use this as an example.
"Lewandowski won the Bundesliga with Dortmund and took them to Champions league final against a prime Bayern Munich"
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Fine, but as we know the PL is a lot more competitive than the Bundesliga where there are traditionally 2 main teams in that league and Dortmund are one of those main teams. Klopp was also managing and he is one of the best managers in the world. I can't argue with what Lewandowski did in the CL against Real Madrid because it is great but then I'm not even trying to say Kane is better than Lewandowski, only that they are all world class and still don't perform all the time in big games, which is true.
Kane scored against City twice, Arsenal twice, Liverpool and Chelsea in that Leicester season and was the GB winner. I don't really see your point. Is he suppose to score in every single game or something? You're just nitpicking and biased with your criticism.
"R7 and Lewandowski play for the elite teams because they reckognized their value and got the wallet out, Daniel Levi would have taken 100-120m at any time but the elite teams thought that was a bit too much bacause he's good, but he's not THAT good"
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City were up for offering £100m to Spurs for Kane but offer was apparently too low so wasn't accepted. Kane wanted to go to City as well. So the idea he wouldn't go to a big club because they wouldn't offer that sort of money is untrue.
City then spent £100m on Grealish. Does this mean Grealish is a bigger/better player than Kane?
Also comparing Andy Cole with Kane.😄
Andy Cole was very good but Kane is world class. You are expecting far too much of Kane if you think he should be littered with trophies given the teams he plays for.
No the Andy Cole comparison is quite fair i think because like Kane he scored shit loads in the prem but was never considered good enough for England because at the major tourniments when games were more on a knife edge he couldn't be trusted to take the 1 or 2 half chances he might get.
The competition was a lot stronger back then and Kane doesn't really have a rival now if his no2 is Callum Wilson it tell you the state of affairs
Kane for all his numbers and top scorer awards the point stands that whenever he's played in a career defining game he has not produced even one time whatever the excuses
World Class should be reserved for players who have done it in the biggest games on the biggest stage
Name me one time he's played well in a Semi or better and he's had a few now
Don't forget he was never really rated by Spurs at the begining World Class prospects don't get loaned out to Millwall and Leyton Orient, i'm not digging him out he made a hell of a lot out of himself but he never was or is that Elite player
So Kane, like Cole is not considered good enough for England now? 53 goals in 80 next to Cole's 1 in 15, and a Golden Boot at a tournament. Did Cole even go to a tournament? Also he has so much more to his game than Cole did, being able to play almost a number 10 role.
Kane has a fantastic record against Arsenal and those are Tottenham's biggest games of the season. He was the player to get to 20 CL goals the quickest in the CL before Haaland broke his record. If Spurs as a club got to the latter stages of competitions more we'd see him contribute more in them. He even performed well against France the other night but you're choosing to ignore that I guess.
Being loaned out to Millwall and Leyton Orient when he's a teenager is a moot point. He developed into a top striker after that and that's the most important thing. Whether you consider him world class is subjective but if he isn't then there must be only a very small number who are right now. Do you think Shearer was world class out of interest?
Well the argument is getting distorted a little bit here because i am not suggesting Kane isn't good enough for England he is far and away the best we.ve got so let me make that clear.
Cole i don't want to dwell on to much he was a random example of someone who over a domestic season will get a nice goal tally but in the upper echelons he wasn't effective and i think this applies to Kane.
James Beattie had that amazing season where everything hit hit went in from every angle you can be comfortable at a club and over 38 games have great numbers loads of player have had similar careers. Zaha is another at Palace he looks World Class,,For Palace but would be average at a better club
Kane is one of them who was decent but was given an unlikely chance at a good club and he grasped it and has definitely proved his worth over 8 or so years, However
There is another level which is 'World Class' and that doesn't rely on how many you rack up against Norwich or Brentord but against a Man City, Liverpool, France Croatia in the moment where people put their hopes on you and if you go shy or worse baloon pens over the bar then naturally people are going to say you aren't all that
Shearer is tricky because he was my hero i was 8 or 9 when he was in his prime so i i idolized him but if you wanted to be harsh you would say he wasn't prolific at World Cups but at the same timehe did Score in the Final of Euro 96 and he scored 2 against Holland
And he won the Prem with Blackburn and ppl say they bought the league but they didn't really they bought a competitive side nothing like Chelsea went on to build and Man Utd were still far better but he was the spearhead who won it for them and pre injury was far more of an assasin than Kane ever was
Even Kanes quotes after is cringy of we go again we learn ect ect ppl are sick of it you tweaking in crucial moments that define your life and all you have to say is ill learn and be better next time? wtf get real your best days have already gone this was the chance stop trying to rationalize everything and be sensible show some fucking soul. Stop talking about it and just do it or stay silent.
Look how Modric has carried an Average Croatia or Messi with Argentina they do it when it matters, Ben Arfa Looked like Mardaona sometimes against Hull, but there was a reason he played for Newcastle and third rate French teams, it's not what you can do on your best day its what can you do when you have too, when you are up against players who won't give you an inch
His times gone and ill call it now i don't know if this is so much a 'hot take' but i predict he will decline rapidly in the next year or so i think he's been hanging on for a while but that time comes and he won't be Spurs Tallisman for much longer
Using Ronaldo's Euro win as an example of his greatness is ridiculous.
He barely did anything in a MEDIOCRE tournament by Portugal that just got extremely lucky. And they of course won the final WITHOUT HIM.
People are missing the point, ppl argue the reason Kane never wins anything is because he plays for Spurs while Ronaldo played for Real Madrid ect
But that is is just an admitedly not strong example of Ronaldo playing for not a superstar team where you don't have great advantage and still having moments
The point is bar penalties Kane has had zero moments in 10 years and even worse missed chances he would put away in the league
I don't like picking on Kane but i am sick of hearing he's world Class he is not he's a good Prem player and nothing more
And how is a random ONE TIME example justifying anything?
If Eder (with Ronaldo on the bench) hadn't scored that ONE goal against France, your example would crumble to pieces.
And if England had won on the penalties against Italy, the example would be turned.
You can't evaluate the "world class" of a player for singular anecdotal moments like that.
It's a relavent example because Ronaldo scored the winner in a semi Final of a major championship in a poor team, regardless of who actually won the event he delivered in a big game
Kane has never scored from open play in a knockout game and looks seriously off of it in the big games
Iceland, Croatia, France, Italy, FA Cup Semi, Champ League Final and theres more i am forgetting he was pants in every game and actually effected the rest of the team negatively
So it's not single anecdotal moment is it the proof is in the pudding