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"international crusade to get people to listen to scientists" sounds religious


It sure looks like people like Greta have made of science their new secular religion. This whole "listen to science" (as if it were a monolithic entity) smacks of religious attitudes. Dangerous attitudes.

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Theres nothing wrong with listening to scientific observation. The problem with environmentalists is the fact that they ignore observation in lieu of doomsday predictions from sources that continually get things wrong or ignore facts to suit a political ideology. That's a problem that is similar to a religious zealots.

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It is.
When science serves an ideology it stops being science.

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I think there's a "void" inside people's minds that was once occupied by religion, but now for a lot of people is occupied by the idea of science. They just want to believe in something, even if they don't fully understand it, and get angry at others who don't share the same beliefs and ultimately have an unhealthy relationship with "science" where they make it part of their identity and only have an understanding of it from Buzzfeed-tier news headlines. I think "politics" is something that also can occupy the same void and results in so many people becoming increasingly polarised as time goes on as they section themselves off in their online filter-bubbles and ferment over how much the other side is so evil and they are so good.

I believe that we should "listen" to the findings of scientific institutes, but that doesn't mean I think we should take their word as gospel.

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yeah interesting, I think a lot of it is the NPC programming that humans are exposed to daily, which defines and creates their reality aka how they see themselves.

The programming is the creation of the hero archetype, mixed in with they are really smart and awesome. It needs to be like that, otherwise it cant keep the human hooked/plugged in.

Such as, believe in science, because smart people are into science, don't be like those stupid people that deny science. You don't want to be THEM. So listen to us, your trusted TV news network.
Don't put yourself outside the group, don't turn you back on us! That's dangerous! You are playing with your life. Those people saying the opposite to what we are, they are 2nd tier people, don't worry about them, they are just stupid and you know better.

So it creates this false reality or gives the appearance they are doing things in life, because they believe in some common goal that's been conditioned over time.
Also extends to how they see themselves, this like detachment from reality.

e.g. people that consider themselves nice, kind, compassionate, empathetic - but then will spew hate at people that don't agree with them
Which is a reaction to their reality programmed in their head, not matching up with objective reality aka people telling them why they are wrong with facts and data.
As in 'how dare that 2nd tier/dummy questions me' because that's how they see themselves via the hero archetype programming

Its also the constant control of the problem/solution narrative
It uses peoples finite amount of energy they have each day, which leaves them with not much, meaning they cant break out of the various systems of control.
Such as starting a business where you can earn enough money to not be beholden to a bank. Or have the business setup, so you can obtain a better tax structure as opposed to getting paid directly as yourself as an employee.

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You make a lot of really good points, as I see it, we live a world where almost everything has already been planned out by people who have power and are willing to do ANYTHING they can to maintain it, but we also live in a world where the things that aren't planned out happen because people see it as the best thing to do at the time and the unintended consequences have been disastrous over time or are manipulated to be useful to those in power, like the emergence of the internet and social media.

I don't want to get too political, but you can see how the landscape of what is or isn't a political talking point has been carefully crafted so that it ultimately benefits those with the most power without fundamentally addressing any of the issues that are holding everyone else back, those aren't up for discussion or debate, there might be a few meagre concessions that'll be ignored and forgotten about, and instead you have to be drafted into team A or team B to hate everyone on the opposing side (and especially their big scary strawman) because they are EVIL, I mean, isn't that more fun and interesting than figuring out how the system is actually broken? Now real life is like a videogame and YOU are the main character! The game was already rigged from the start, and you weren't even invited to play.

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I believe that we should "listen" to the findings of scientific institutes, but that doesn't mean I think we should take their word as gospel.


I agree; for example, when those scientists claimed that planet earth has only one moon, I was skeptical as is my nature and I started going outside every night for a month with my telescope, to verify and confirm it. I was never able to find that second or third moon.

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It's interesting that Earth actually has a few smaller moons outside the famous THE Moon. Scientists don't take their own word as gospel, that's entirely the point of science, that everything is up to question and debate and analysis to provide evidence for future claims as scientific models evolve over time.

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It has become exactly that--a quasi-religious movement supported by ideologically motivated pseudoscience. Its cynical perpetrators rely on the scientific naivete of the NPR-consuming masses and their natural tendency towards hysteria to put it over, and it has worked beautifully.

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It has truly taken over everything

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Well no if you aren't white then really there is a whole bunch of other things to use your time in.

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Scientists should prove their theories and stop trying to sell them.

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Climate change is a fact it has been proven already.

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I think COVID-19 has done a bit to hurt the credibility of experts

Don't get me wrong, my dads got his PHD and I'm doing my masters currently, but shit there's a lot of fucking morons in academia that are "experts"

I also consistently out perform market averages, each single year. By not just "listening to the experts"

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COVID has been proven to be a result of Climate Change already.

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