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We are too desensitized for gothic horror


It seems to me that werewolfs and Frakenstein monsters have lost their ability to scare especially if in a Victorian setting no matter how much gore. Thirty years ago I'd say this would have had a shock factor. Also the story lines we all know and are too predictable.
So as this genre has lost its horror factor, whats left in this type of horror? You can have fine sets, clever CGI, superb acting, a back love story, but that's just not enough, the audience just walks off with a shrug being mildly entertained.

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Well if your watching them with the intention of being scared then ok, its a fail. Personally I like them for the atmosphere and the way they unsettle the viewer.

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I hope and believe you are wrong, and that our wonderful gothic monsters, which by now have a long history in our folklore and myth, will continue to entertain us. But you are right that the audience is numbed by what they see nowadays. Years ago, there was something special, magical to go to the theaters and watch a monsterfilm. Anyways, what this film failed the most was, that it could´nt achieve any emotions for the werewolf person. None of the actors was directed to bring any sympathy, and therefore never letting us into their lives and share the horrors of the werewolfism,,,

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I love the classic monsters, but I've never really been scared by them. Good stories and characters make them work, not gore and people jumping out of shadows trying to make you jump. Personally, I think they should be scarier in a Victorian setting, there's just something about an old dark house, British accents, well-dressed people, and foggy streets.

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probably made the little twilgirls shyt their little undies.

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Not everyone is desensitized. I watched a 1972 werewolf tv movie and I was just as scared now as I was then. The only difference is that now I do not focus on just being scared. I had sympathy for the creature as well as his victims. People today are desensitized because they have not been taught or taught themselves to feel for the characters, to put themselves in their place. A lot of parents do not set proper viewing standards for their children, requiring them to act appropriately to a scene and warning of proper consequences of not doing so. Adults also need to expect other adults to act appropriately while watching movies/tv shows with them.

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No matter what your opinion on this particular movie is, there’s more truth to what the OP said than one might think. Indeed, so many of the recent gothic horror movies haven’t exactly been the best (loved “Crimson Peak”), but you’d think some of them would at least turn in a profit like a number of mediocre horror films do. And yet, the vast majority of them have been critical and financial failures. Now whether it’s because of the predictability factor or the quality of the films themselves (there sure needs to be a film in the genre that can once again leave an impression on both critics and audiences alike), people these days basically don’t appear to resonate with gothic horror and classic movie monsters.

Perhaps TV would be gothic horror’s best friend these days. The series “Penny Dreadful” was a damn good example of gothic horror succeeding. In fact, I’d say that it was a fresh take on the genre. Personally, I love gothic horror more for the settings, imagery, and atmosphere as opposed to the scare elements.

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I also loved Crimson Peak and was disappointed it failed. I love gothic films and stories btw.

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Thank you. Well stated, and I agree completely. Where is it written that Gothic is horror? Gothic is arcana. Frankenstein is science fiction. Dracula is derived from folk tales. The Human Centipede is disgusting, hence horror, and not Gothic. Horror is for the insensate, those so desensitized that they need to see the repulsive to feel that they are (their version of) alive. Gothic is about sex and, to make an artificial distinction, violence, in other words, aside from humor, the core values of our popular entertainment. Penny Dreadful had its flaws, but overall I found it very satisfying and successful. You know, if you’re scared when you’re in the sack, you’re probably getting something wrong.

Nice to read you, Drac.

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If done well, I don't think we are. The horror of the Gothic Horror genre is still unsettling, macabre, and could be scary in the right hands. I think this movie relied too much on jump-scares and "Oh, no: monster!" to be truly frightening. I enjoyed the movie, but it just doesn't burrow into the psyche and unnerve the way a brilliant horror story does.

That's the true horror-factor, as well: the psychological disarming. Any genre, any setting, can do that, if done well.

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I would argue that not all horror films need to be scary. I don't think I found The Wolfman frightening at all, but I did enjoy the mood and atmosphere and a story that is told well enough to be enjoyable.

Even when a film has horror trappings, I don't necessarily need to feel uneasy to be entertained.

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It wouldn't have even occurred to me had you not said it, but I feel the same way. A horror movie can be perfectly enjoyable without being legitimately frightening or unsettling, or presenting a scary monster... Yes, absolutely. Thank you for saying so.

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Perhaps we should think of films that use horror trappings but that aren't really going for scares as horror-fantasy.

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Maybe. I just think you're on to something where horror doesn't need to frighten directly to give us that fun thrill of engaging with the genre. Horror-makers seem to think we want to jump in our seats, but I'm not sure. I can be "intellectually terrified", if there is such a thing.

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Ok but that's what the OP is saying: that gothic horrors do NOT burrow into our psyche anymore.
But they used to.
I totally agree, and I think it is because of general education and science being mainstream.
Monsters are difficult to create: once a wolf or a tiger were enough. Then, when everyone understood that they are just hungry animals and have nothing evil about them, ogres and werewolves and vampires emerged, where they added a human element to it.
Yet again, once you see them as creatures surviving in this world, it is impossible to be horrified.

Last movie that scared me was The Ring, but I lived alone and had a giant tv in my bedroom.

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You're right. I guess I took him to mean that it couldn't connect at all.

I still think I disagree and believe that Gothic horror, if well-written and well-executed, does have the potential to still burrow into our collective psyches and scare the Dickens out of us. A major theme of Gothic horror is madness. Well, insanity is still something that we deal with, will resonate with people, and can be terrifying, depending on its manifestation. Other elements of Gothic horror would still be able to terrify or thrill us, and engage with us.

Just because something is a period setting won't eliminate its connection to me. I love Shakespeare, and that's centuries old.

Science being mainstream, if anything, could add *more* to some of the terrifying aspects of Gothic horror. Frankenstein, for instance, is terrifying enough before we have technology like cloning and even more advanced medical science. The question of whether or not we should dabble in the creation of alternate life forms becomes filled with potential for horror in a world where we're a lot closer to that realization.

Likewise, I'd push back on the animal examples. We might have forgotten what it's like to live next door to wolves and bears, but remind people of that and we're terrified again. We still employ "creature feature" horror. I'm not saying Crawl was the best horror movie, but just the notion of "crocodiles" is enough to potentially freak people out.

I haven't seen the Ring. The last horror movie to freak me out was Color Out of Space, but that was more "disturbed" than "scared".

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The Color Out of Space is quite disturbing, but not scary at all, like you said.
But disturbing is still happening, like with The Human Centipede and many other revolting movies, starting with David Lynch.
Horror is something else alltogether.
I agree period pieces can be scary, but animals are not scary anymore. We vastly overpower them in every way. Even when unharmed. And we have victimized them for thousands of years you can only sympathise with them. Even a pack of hungry wolves is not scary once you understand they have no motive other than nature. Worse case they might eat you. But why were you in THEIR habitat?
Jaws is scary and burrows in our mind with a real animal, but other than when swimming in deep water it is not a present fear.

But in regular everyday life on firm land, monsters are scary only when you sense the evil in them. That is what we fear, evil intentions, which is difficult to assign to any creature.
Starting with the most artificial one like Frankenstein's. Not scary anymore, once you figure he is just a pissed off deformed guy with every reason to be pissed off. Is that really that evil to scare us? Like Mel Brooks, I find it silly and adorable, maybe I feel sorry but not fear.

Losing our humanity is scary still, like becoming mad or a zombie. But even this is less scary than it used to be (see I Zombie or any other story where it is cool to become a vampire or a werewolf or a serial killer). Once we understand these monsters, or we identify with them, what are we left with to fear?

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What else would you call something like Color Out of Space? I'd definitely put it in the horror category, it's just more focused on existential, nihilistic dread, and utter despair, as well as (for lack of a better term) "crimes against nature", and these strange abominations that mock what it is to be human - what makes life precious. That's terrifying in its own way, even if it's not "horror classic".

Revolting is not completely what I mean. I mean "upsetting", just this miasma of unease. That's what I mean.

Human Centipede is a subgenre (body horror), but is that not part of the pantheon of horror films as well? Are slasher movies?

I think animals could be scary; it depends what's done with them. We don't overpower them when unarmed. You ever see what a bear is capable of? A crocodile? These are terrifying monsters. Thematically speaking, they're just as horror-inducing as a xenomorph, if not moreso, because they remind us of our precarious position in Nature and how we might just snuff it at any moment anyway. They also remind us of our primal reality - that we are part of nature, too, and we can have all the airs we want to put on, but at the end of the day, we're part of this bigger thing. That can make us feel small and scared. I'm not saying your average Sharknado movie can make us feel that dread, but the potential is there.

It's not "their" habitat any more than it's "ours". You can't "intrude" on nature - it's just there. And as for motive, I feel the chaos and terror of battle in movies like Saving Private Ryan even though those soldiers are fighting in self-defense. That's the same "kill or be killed". That's even putting aside the fact that many man v. nature horror movies explicitly create animals that go above and beyond that search for food. The man-eater in Jaws could go eat fish. It doesn't.

Evil intentions can be scary. So can random violence, inexplicable anarchy, our alone-ness in the universe, or being reminded of our potential place on the food chain. So, I agree with you insofar as a sinister psychology adds a lot of horror to a horror film, it's not the only way to do so. Other fears can be invoked (or, as with Alien, almost all of them at once).

Frankenstein is scary because he is a magnified human. His motives are this rage at his place in the universe (or lack thereof), and his railing against his parent (or Creator), and that scares us as much as the violent psychopath. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre features characters (so I've read - I haven't actually seen this one) that are basically Frankenstein-ian: they don't have the mental processes to qualify, do they? Yet the idea of somebody with so little regard for humanity is truly frightening. If you don't feel fear, that's fine; I'm not sure I'm scared of Frankenstein in those films, either. But I definitely understand the horror aspect.

I can understand a monster and still fear it because the threat is still there, whether that threat is physical or existential. In fact, in the latter case, understanding the monster makes it scarier. Back to the Wolfman: what's really scary about a werewolf isn't the idea that a wolf-monster might show up and rip us to shreds, it's that we contain that primal, animal aggression and destructive side. The best Wolfman movie wouldn't (just) make us afraid that there might be a monster out there, but that there is one *in here*.

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