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All of this was pointless - SPOILER

posted 9 months ago by DickusBiggus (176)
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They liberated Supergirl for nothing because she is going to end being killed by Zod no matter what and is pretty sad because she was trapped her whole life and was liberated just to be killed hours later, Batman return to action for nothing he also ends up dead, Barry dint even save his mother or catch her killer the only thing he achieved was release his dad after years of being in prison for a crime he didn't commit, but that doesn't feel like a total victory either because that dude was in jail during years Barry dint come with a plan to at least save him for loosing all those years in prison, and the worst crime of all he brought back George Clooney the world already closed that chapter and this MOFO open it again.

[–] bozo_500 (12250) 9 months ago

True but 'City on the Edge of Forever' and 'Yesterdays Enterprise' was similarly 'pointless' but ended up as the best episodes of Star Trek

[–] DoctorThirteen (10318) 9 months ago

Barry did save his mother, but there were consequences - a world dying as Zod terraformed it. He had to undo his 'fix' to prevent that from ever happening/having happened, saving billions of lives.

[–] AndyKing1967 (34017) 9 months ago

“being in prison for a crime he didn't commit”

Maybe he should join the A-Team.

[–] [deleted] 8 months ago

-if he can find them-

[–] emori (3096) 9 months ago

Whole movie existed to only prove to people one more time that TIME TRAVEL IS BAAAD. As if thats something anyone will ever play with.

But what happened to Zod?

Movie made no sense. Lazy writing. Barry never made it to the past. He was always traveling to parallel universe. Thus seeing another Batman, Supergirl and Superman was killed as infant. That was not Barry’s past. That Universe is dead. Zod succeed.

Then he returned to another universe to take back that jar of tomatoes. Then he returned to future. To yet another parallel universe in which Clooney is Batman.

In real universe that was saw movies of - Flash just went missing one day and never returned. So no worries.

Its like Sliders tv show. Each time they went to new universe because they didnt know coordinates of their own. Same with Barry.

[–] emori (3096) 9 months ago

What I never understand is why Barry won’t Prison Break his dad. He has the abilities to do that. He can break into prison and take daddy out. Yet he lets him sit is prison.

[–] ehewitt (30) 9 months ago

Because the movie showed if someone didn't have the special suit the Flash wore, they'd burn up travelling at the speed of sound. His father would have more than likely died if he was broken out.

[–] ackmondual (199) 8 months ago

His father couldn't just live his life in Metropolis like nothing happened. He'd still be a fugitive, and couldn't just go to the store to buy things, etc.. He'd have to live his life hidden away.

[–] emori (3096) 8 months ago

But still he would be free. Could easily go Mexico or other country.

They wouldnt do it because Barry is Good Superhero and that would portray him in bad light. So he was just watching his dad sitting in prison and doing nothing when he could free him easily.

[–] ackmondual (199) 8 months ago

Fleeing to Mexico or some other country wouldn't be acceptable. He wanted to be close to Barry. Even if Flash commuted back and forth in the "blink of an eye" like he literally can do, his father looked like where he was was his home. You really need to ask yourself if you're really free if you'd need to leave your home, your life, the roots you've put down, and your social circles. For some, even though being in prison isn't free, neither is such an alternative.

[–] Breeze (106) 8 months ago

Oh, for. . .

It's pretty simple. Would you rather be in prison, or living in some other country? You think he's enjoying his social circle/life/roots IN JAIL???"

"Close to Barry"??? What on earth are you babbling about? Could he see him More, or Less, if he was not in prison, in another country?

The real answer: Barry is a HERO. Heroes don't break people out of jail. Endof.

[–] ackmondual (199) 8 months ago

It depends on what country. Some of them are shitholes. In the US, you'd have to move to a country that doesn't have an extradition treaty.

Another issue is fleeing would be an admission of guilt. The part about his dad not wanting to leave his home still stands true.

Also, if both you and the other poster were willing to accept that "Barry's the hero" as the answer, then wtf did the question even needed to get asked in the first place?

[–] Breeze (106) 8 months ago

The question is ridiculous. So are your responses, however. To repeat: if you're trying to assert that there's NOWHERE ON EARTH someone with Barry's powerset could set up his Dad that's better than PRISON, you're being ridiculous.

It's really that simple.

[–] ackmondual (199) 8 months ago

They liberated Supergirl for nothing because she is going to end being killed by Zod no matter what and is pretty sad because she was trapped her whole life and was liberated just to be killed hours later, Batman return to action for nothing he also ends up dead,

It wasn't for nothing. She got to enjoy a bit freedom at least, and go down fighting, as opposed to just rotting away in a cell for the rest of her life, continuing to be some inhumane Russian experiment. We got some pretty kickass scenes, including her taking her revenge on Russian guards and personnel who were part of here being locked there, and at least tried to help the world take down Zod.

Batman didn't exactly have plot armor on his side, which was actually a refreshing change of pace. It was a nice setup because you'd think between Batman's plot armor, Super Girl being very determined to win (along with literal super powers to back that up), younger Flash picking up pretty quickly from being immature to learning the ropes, and Barry Allen being an experienced super hero and having foreknowledge of how things went down in his universe... the were sure to succeed. NOPE! It just shows that in this universe, they really needed all hands on deck with the full Justice League, and they were doomed from the start (or at the very least, face insurmountable odds).

And going through (nearly literally) all the possibilities of trying to save Batman and Super Girl was interesting for me to watch.

[–] bozo_500 (12250) 8 months ago

It was a nice setup because you'd think between Batman's plot armor, Super Girl being very determined to win (along with literal super powers to back that up), younger Flash picking up pretty quickly from being immature to learning the ropes, and Barry Allen being an experienced super hero and having foreknowledge of how things went down in his universe... the were sure to succeed. NOPE!

Yes it was quite refreshing . an interesting 'subvert expectations' thing that is abit of a thing these days (mainly due in part to Last Jedi, No Time To Die etc)

It just shows that in this universe, they really needed all hands on deck with the full Justice League, and they were doomed from the start (or at the very least, face insurmountable odds)

They didn't need the full JL (well it'd have helped!) but just needed SuperMAN.. which was surprisingly abit of a non PC/non woke aspect to do for these times. Was kind of expecting supergirl would wipe Zod out with her superior ability (again the subvert expectations thing). and maybe one of the reasons film journalists/critics didnt like it much lol

[–] ackmondual (199) 8 months ago

They didn't need the full JL (well it'd have helped!) but just needed SuperMAN..

I figured it would've been the same difference. I can still see Zod's task force being able to overpower the resistance given. And that's not just because "Lord Plottus demands it". It seems like it would've been a case of "Superman is better, but he still wouldn't have been enough". If we were to examine it more closely, it seems like that invasion had more troops, better ones, and was much better coordinated.

[–] ackmondual (199) 8 months ago

Barry dint even save his mother or catch her killer the only thing he achieved was release his dad after years of being in prison for a crime he didn't commit, but that doesn't feel like a total victory either because that dude was in jail during years Barry dint come with a plan to at least save him for loosing all those years in prison,

That was the whole point... because of time travel woes, there was no way to have their cake, and eat it too. Catching the real killer would've been akin to the can of tomatoes.

As for "all those years", the Speed Force was something he recently discovered. It probably took him enough years to build up that skill and strength, but also never put himself into a situation where he would actually run THAT fast.