Come on give me a break. We are clearly headed to a future where people who oppose any LGBT agenda are going to be persecuted and that was already evident when this movie came out 16 years ago. When I saw that movie, I was still a liberal and even then I thought that part was ludicrous.
shareWell the graphic novel it's based on which came out in the early 80s had that premise too except with fascists as the villains. So you can't really fault the movie for it. Plus it's set in England not America.
shareI wasn't even aware it's based on a graphic novel. In any case, America and England don't make a difference when it comes to LGBT issues. In fact the latter is even stronger in England.
shareits obvious you weren't. you don't tend to do any research on anything you talk about.
its a fiction you dolt. a what if fascist alternative reality where mass global stability and deterioration, including the USA breaking apart into civil war. And a terrorist attack on the UK is capitalized on by a far right fascist party who gains control. and like all fascists creates and attacks scapegoats to create social adhesion and win support.
but like spending 2 minutes to lookup the graphic novel, that would take a bare amount of research. which you never do.
remember when you argued Django was a remake, then a sequel, then part of the franchise, then just part of the brand. you are so desperate to be the victim and attack wokeness you always look like a dull wit
That has nothing to do with my point. Continue wasting your time writing about unrelated things.
Yes it's fiction alright. Fiction of far leftists who live in a delusional paranoia that society will descent into starting persecuting gays again, when the reality we are witnessing is the exact opposite - a society where critics of LGBT agenda are being persecuted. In the UK a woman got a police visit for saying trans rights are boring. If that's not Orwellian, i don't know what is. (in fact, that's EXACTLY a kind of thing a movie like V for Vandetta - which tells a story about Orwellian dystopia should be about ironically enough). Yet moron like you (and the trans authors of this movie) think it's the gays that have something to fear.
its a fiction... you need help with your obsessions. the gays, black people ect. every single post is about your obsession with being the victim and the lefties coming for you.
Orwell was a socialist you dumb fuck. stop referencing a person you never read.
Exactly it's a fiction, but it represents left wing paranoia about a society which will never happen. It's obvious society is heading to an opposite extreme of the one depicted in this movie, but if someone made a movie about a fictional future where people are persecuted in the name of gay agenda it would have been crucified as hateful even though it's a totally legitimate concern given the direction we are heading.
Yes even Orwell as a socialist would have rolled in his grave at police visiting a man for saying trans rights are boring, you still don't get the point.
ill write it again.
its fiction.
you cant know it will never happen again. German was far far more liberal pre the nazis taking power. societies can revert.
for the fourth time.
its fiction. derp derp
You can tell which way society is heading and that is pretty clear when people are visited by police for disagreeing with trans rights online. If some people made a fictional movie about a future where gay rights dissenters are persecuted, the left would cry about scare mongering despite the fact this is clearly where we are headed. But instead Hollywood makes movies where gays are persecuted in the future to promote their agenda.
shareagain, for the fifth time. its a fictional movie.
these things have happened. societies have reverted to more reactionary/conservative societies after being more socially liberal.
its not only possible theoretically, it has objectively happened
You're right about that, theoretically. But it's not practically probable. Making a movie where conservatives are persecuted would be much more realistic considering where we are heading.
shareits literally happened before as I have brought up. Germany was extremely socially liberal in the 1920's. with the depression and desperation, a conservative reactionary party too power.
iran was the same. far more socially liberal now. a religious conservative group took power.
lol you are such a pathetic victim
More moronic logic from a far leftist loon. Both of those cases (Germany and Iran) were quickly inflated bubbles that burst. Society became very liberal very suddenly and then it reverted back. Totally different from a slow, long conditioning programmes/social evolution we've been subjected to in the West.
I have more understanding on who the Overton pendulum can swing back, and I'm telling you, it ain't gonna happen.
you are an idiot. you said it couldn't happen, I told you examples of it happening. and your response? "ya but!"
you lost. thank you for admitting it a second time
"its a remake! no a sequel!! no its in the franchise! I mean the brand!!!"
You gave examples of it happening in totally different societies in totally different times. You haven't addressed my argument about why these are totally different situations, but instead resorted to childish ad hominem attacks like "you're an idiot". That is typical when someone loses an argument. Thanks for admitting you lost.
And I love how you keep pretending that DU being a tribute instead of a sequel makes any difference to the original argument. If someone made a tribute to the Shaft or The Blade and changed the race to White, everyone would complain about the race swap. My point stands.
you going to cry? aww the idiot is going to cry.
no it iant.. I can call a flat earther an imbecile. it doesnt mean I lost. nice fallacy though idiot
yes I gave you past and modern examples (Russia) and part ones
you just dont like that they disprove your assertions
ohh right! I forgot that!! you admitted it was a tribute! before changing it to franchise! then brand. you sure did flail around like a little fish
"its a remake! no sequel! no tribute! whoops I mean franchise! no brand!!"
You resort to calling names because you don't have anything else. None of your replies contain actual arguments. You're a child.
There is a significant problem with your past examples as I have explained. Remember how during the Reagan conservative movement people were talking about how society is going to revert back to the pre 1960s era? It didn't happen. Society continued to become more liberal even tough Reagan was a backlash against the hippies of the 60s and 70s.
Remember how people were scaring us how the Trump phenomena was going to return social attitudes towards race backwards? Guess what. It didn't happen. Society is more woke and anti racist today than in 2015 when Trump launched his campaign. Liberals dominate all the institutions, the fear that racism and homophobia are around the corner is just left wing paranoia and propaganda.
Your modern example about Russia is simply wrong. Gay rights have improved there since, not gotten worse since the fall of the Soviet Union. I have corrected you on this before, but you simply keep ignoring it.
Again ignoring my argument because you don't have a reply. It doesn't matter that it's a tribute, they still changed the race of Django. If someone did that to a Black character there would be a huge controversy and it wouldn't matter that it's "just a tribute". You can't change the race of minorities, but you can change the race of White people. A double standard against Whites. My point stands, and you keep ignoring it because you don't have any counter arguments.
they do. I gave you three clear examples. you just don't like them!
where did I say that happened ion the Reagan era? maybe learn how to read.
Remember how people were scaring us how the Trump phenomena was going to return social attitudes towards race backwards?
you work in a world of insane dichotomies where you have to be either a fascist anti gay minority regime or the only alternative is a liberal woke utopia.
trump did roll back some protections
https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/01/08/trump-administration-again-weakens-lgbt-protections
"With less than two weeks left in office, the administration of US President Donald Trump has finalized yet another rule rolling back nondiscrimination protections for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people seeking the services of health and welfare programs funded by the US Department of Health and Human Services.
Previously, a federal regulation expressly prohibited health and welfare programs receiving federal funding from discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity. But the administration’s new rule, first proposed in 2019, erases this language. It also deletes a requirement that recipients recognize the marriages of same-sex couples, replacing it with a generic statement that the US Department of Health and Human Services will respect Supreme Court decisions. "
I've given facts and suitable arugemtns. you don't like the conclusions so you throw a fit
"its a remake! its a sequel! its a tribute! its in the franchise! no its the brand!"
the flailing fish strikes again!
You gave totally false examples. Russia is less anti Gay today than during the Soviet union. Germany and Iran are totally different situations than today in the West. Social attitudes weren't genuinely liberal in the 20s Germany and Iran pre Islamic revolution. People's attitudes weren't the subject of decades long conditioning programme and social evolution. Rather what happened was a swift descent into decadence and prostitution that happened during the 20s in Germany so it's logical that the bubble burst. Likewise Muslims of Iran didn't really have liberal attitudes during the 70s, rather Iranians saw the Western influence/corruption as a result of foreign occupation through the dictator Shah. It's no surprising that also that bubble burst.
Small policy changes are irrelevant. Republicans come into power they change some policies, Democrats return to power, they change it back. That doesn't negate the general trajectory. Here is a graph of support for gay marriage over time:
https://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/ait4ti0ef0kxr2sy30siqq.png
Clearly more people support gay marriage now than in 2015. Trump didn't do shit. Liberals dominate the institutions and they use these institutions to condition/brainwash the public to support their political agenda. In England, people get police visits for disagreeing with the trans agenda online, something that would have been unthinkable a decade ago. Once you get the liberal ball rolling it's almost impossible to revert it back. The data is clear. But liberal morons like you continue to live in your paranoid fantasy world that racists and homophobes are the real threat.
"Germany and Iran are totally different situations than today in the West."
yes different situations arise! that can lead to a back slide in society!!! seemingly socially liberal society can back slide as reactionary elements take control. it doesn't mean all of a sudden social attitudes changed and 99% of the population are now anti gay.
"Here is a graph of support for gay marriage over time"
by definition the fascist/reactionary elements controls and is the state, and enforces their will on the populace. popular opinion, by definition does not matter in a totalitarian or fascist state you fucking idiot.
your concession has been noted you complete and utter moron
"But liberal morons like you continue to live in your paranoid fantasy world that racists and homophobes are the real threat."
https://metro.co.uk/2019/02/16/us-politician-suggests-he-would-drown-his-children-if-they-were-gay-8645055/
The point is if reactionary elements which still exist gain power it could happen. thats why its a FICTIONAL MOVIE.
seemingly socially liberal society can back slide as reactionary elements take control.
by definition the fascist/reactionary elements controls and is the state, and enforces their will on the populace. popular opinion, by definition does not matter in a totalitarian or fascist state you fucking idiot."
they were liberal for their time. again you don't understand simple concepts. you create false dichotomies in your head of what you believe is society. in a perfectly linear path. you are an idiot in other words.
at the time THOSE SOCIETIES WERE LIBERAL. holy fuck idiot. you don't understand how societies develop even the slightest.
"only now is real liberalism!"
its relativity you clown.
"This fascist state cannot take power if the don't have popular opinion on their side you moron."
no that is completely untrue. you again, do not understand basic history. its a small core of intently dedicated and motivated supporters.
oh so your anecdote is okay! mine are bad.
go fuck yourself clown
No they weren't genuinely liberal. How can Weimar Germany be genuinely liberal if it was conservative all up until the end of WW2? The 1920s weren't a long enough period of time for society to genuinely change. That's why they descended back so quickly. They are only described as liberal today relative to how they became later. The same with Iran. If you were to conduct public opinion polls in Weimar Germany and 70s Iran, I bet you would find a conservative opinion on social topics.
no that is completely untrue. you again, do not understand basic history. its a small core of intently dedicated and motivated supporters.
"No they weren't genuinely liberal. How can Weimar Germany be genuinely liberal if it was conservative all up until the end of WW2? "
are you this fucking stupid? do you want to retract this stupid fucking questioN?
Nothing stupid about it. Society doesn't become liberal overnight. It takes years and decades for the public opinion on social topics to genuinely change. Do you really think ordinary Germans in the 1920s had a positive opinion on homosexuality, prostitution, pornography and out of wedlock births?
The "liberalism" of that society is what happened among the elite in large urban areas and didn't really reflect the attitudes of most ordinary folk. That's why it swung back so quickly when the hunger came in 1929.
no one said it did, or that it became conservative overnight. its all relative you idiot. I have told you this multiple times. so germans int he 1920s were more liberal than germans in the 1820s. and also more liberal in the 1920s than other nations at the time.
"n social topics to genuinely change. Do you really think ordinary Germans in the 1920s had a positive opinion on homosexuality, prostitution, pornography and out of wedlock births? "
who said they did you dumb fuck.
wow the conservative victim has nothing. where did they touch you?
""That's why it swung back so quickly when the hunger came in 1929.
it didnt swing back so quick. a reactionary party that never won a majority took power, did mass propaganda and any dissenters were oppressed, imprisoned or killed.
they had no choice. do you even know what happened under the nazis you fucking joke
"who said they did you dumb fuck."
That's the entire point. Our society is genuinely liberal, their wasn't. That's why they descended back into conservatism so easily.
NO RELATIVELY THEY WERE.
holy fuck you are stupid.
no they had a small, never majority party force them to. to not follow their regimes rules meant literal death.
thats how totalitarian states work dumb fuck.
do I really have to educate you on this hahaha
So you don't deny ordinary Germans had conservative views on social topics in the 1920s, but you still claim that their society is a good analogy for ours in 2022 where most ordinary people hold liberal views?
Totalitarian states are not a good analogy for USA. USA never had a coup or a dictatorial government in it's history. Germany was a very new and unexperienced democracy. That's why it collapsed.
you re so fucking stupid. im done here. get help for your trauma. you were clearly beat up/touched by gays and minorities
shareYou admitted ordinary folk in Germany held conservative views, yet you still hold that their society is a good analogy for ours today. If majority of the population holds genuinely liberal views, the possibility that a far right government will take power and take away rights is miniscule if not impossible. You don't make sense. You lost the argument. All you can do is throw insults.
sharewhere did they touch you? how long have you dealt with the trauma?
shareHow is 1920s Germany and 1970s Iran with it's conservative attitudes that even you don't deny a good analogy for us today? Those countries weren't experienced democracies. Germany was a new democracy that was a monarchy just years before and Iran was still in the middle ages. Just because those societies allowed a dictatorships to come into power doesn't mean the US is likely to. The US never had a dictatorship in it's history.
shareeven at their peak, the nazi party in 1945 had 8 million members. or 14% of the population
do you not understand how a dictatorship works kid?
People focus too much on the gay rights aspect of the story and miss the greater picture. As you said, it is the hill that the true fascists attack from, the rights of the alphabet people. In our world, it's conservatives that are being silenced, demonized and dehumanized. You have the mainstream news spewing racist propaganda against whites and especially white men. Talking about re-education camps for Trump supporters. Canceling anyone who disagrees with the agenda. It's open and it's ugly and it's not going to end well.
sharefrom the scared unstable paranoid mind of Craig the coward
share"Craig the coward"
So that's what the C represents. LOL!
Whaddayaknow, a double post from a douche and his sock!
shareeither coward or cuck. coward suits him but form his other posts im leaning to cuck.
on a post about guns I said he has to "overcompensate with guns". a single comment. he then proceeded to talk about his dick and mine. then made up a fantasy scenario in his head of "what if some black gangbangers broke in your house and you had no gun and they ran a train on your wife and you watched"
he came up with that out of nowhere hahah.oddly specific and weird. then proceeds to call me gay while he talks about dicks for 5 comments and that scenario
I found the post. Very funny:
https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/620c4578bf6c1e3c837e587c/Sandy-Hook-families-reach-dollar73-million-settlement-with-Remington?reply=620dcf997836e53b245b85cd
His fantasy scenario shows his paranoia. I read that conservatives tend to be more fearful than liberals. That's probably the reason so many are gun nuts.
Four gangbangers with guns against his one gun would likely end with his wife getting killed in the crossfire and his hiding in the corner before they surrounded and shot him.
But, he likely lives in a rundown trailer so I don't know why any self-respecting gangbanger would want to burglarize him, anyway.
He has watched too many Arnold movies and believes he will dive in slow motion and take them all out.
shareThis is an epic post, wow this is funny. There is a sub Reddit for this I'm sure.
shareafter THE religious RIGHT OVERTHROWS THE Nation, strength THROUGH UNITY, unity THROUGH religion.
shareits called fascism you dull wit.
its not too hard to believe as a society devolves to more traditionalism/conservatism certain groups could be persecuted again. Just look at Eastern Europe and many states regression on women rights as more conservative/religious elements took control again
There is no regression to anyone's rights you moron. Things are getting better even for gay rights. The idea that society will ever start becoming persecutory towards gays, blacks and other minorities is just left wing paranoia and this movie is an example of it. In fact things are getting disturbingly in the other direction. Even gays like Douglass Murray etc are saying things have gone too far.
shareI gave you real situations (Eastern Europe) where it is literally happening to women you dull wit. it could easily happen to gay people.
you have literal republican senators to this day, mostly state wide, actively trying to make gay marriage illegal, some proposing Sodomy Laws. and one who said if his child was gay he would drown them.
yet in a hypothetical far right story thinking gays would be persecuted is paranoia? You have evidence of these extremists living today. its not a left wing paranoia when these people exist and thats a fact.
What situations? You haven't given me anything. You can cherry pick incidents, but you can't argue that positions towards gays is getting better, not worse.
Gay marriage is not a fundamental right of gays. They don't need gay marriage, they already have all the rights they need with civil unions. Gay marriage is nothing more than gay privilege.
"One guy said something" is not indication that things are getting worse for gays. I can cherry pick something horrible that some gay activist or far leftist said or did, that doesn't prove a pattern or a general direction the whole society is heading
That very hypothetical far right society is fantasy and will never happen. Things are getting far too liberal towards homosexuality and other supposedly "persecuted" groups to the point that now you even have plenty of reason minded gays themselves saying things 'have gotten too far.
lol "having the same rights as a straight couple is gay privilege".
wow the amazing ability to get the exact opposite facts out off something by you is amazing. but I do have to remember, ultimately everything comes down to you being persecuted and the victim. I should always operate under the assumption "Overton has to be the victim and persecuted by the mean minorities"
no its an indication that those elements are there still! that its not as if they are fully gone. I never said the US is about to become the fascist V for vendetta state. I said its possible that if there was some serious destabilization/ event (like this film had with countries failing worldwide and big terrorist attacks) that more reactionary/ fascist elements could seize power.
where the f did I say "we are on the way to become the v for vendetta state any day now"? citation needed.
"That very hypothetical far right society is fantasy and will never happen."
the far right society that has literally already happened. you ever heard of Russia?!?!? as the Soviet Union collapsed, and conservative andRussian orthodox church which were traditionally oppressed were allowed to once again come out in full force and practice. they have increasingly been going down this path with anti gay rhetoric.
Their treatment of gay people has been horrible and contuse to get worse. hahahahhahahahahah its literally happening right now you clown!
I never claim to be a victim. I'm just saying gays aren't victims anymore. They don't need gay marriage. They have every right under civil unions. I have debated this topic of gay marriage on several occasions with multiple people and never has anyone been able to come up with a convincing argument that gay marriage as oppose to unions is necessary.
the far right society that has literally already happened. you ever heard of Russia?!?!? as the Soviet Union collapsed, and conservative andRussian orthodox church which were traditionally oppressed were allowed to once again come out in full force and practice. they have increasingly been going down this path with anti gay rhetoric.
Their treatment of gay people has been horrible and contuse to get worse. hahahahhahahahahah its literally happening right now you clown!
every single post by you is a victim post.
I know and black people had every right too! they could attend their own schools, they had their own water fountains! their own place on the bus. separate but equal is great!
gays have it great in Russia. conservative fact ignoring at its finest....
I was still talking about Russia you dolt.
Overton the weak victim. constantly threatened by the gays and black people
Go ahead and keep ignoring all the points I made. That's because you don't have any counter arguments. Celebrating a lifestyle which has considerable risk factors like STDs, paedophilia, drug use, mental illness and family breakup does not make sense. And how is corporations getting rewarded for hiring gays and blacks not unfair privilege? If corporations were getting rewarded for hiring German American's, wouldn't that be German American privilege? But if it's done for gays and blacks it's not? There is noting wrong with Whites and black living separately. Separation is not oppression. The only thing that is oppression is denial of sovereignty.
shareYou didn't make any.
"Celebrating a lifestyle which has considerable risk factors like STDs, paedophilia, drug use, mental illness and family breakup does not make sense"
the 1950s called they want their propaganda back
im done here. keep being a little person threatened by the gays
I made several:
- In Russia gay rights have gotten better since the end of Soviet Union, not worse as you have claimed.
- Society is slowly heading towards a persecution of people who oppose the gay agenda, yet left wingers continue to make paranoid movies where gays are persecuted in the future.
You haven't responded in any way.
Paedophilia and STDs are legitimate issues of homosexuality and the left has no responses to that other than to call people names.