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And I thought women were bad. Rape, girls, rape.

posted 4 years ago by RickGee (263)
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The first time they have sex, Connie tries to stop, says no, and pushes the predator away. The predator roughly restrains her, holds her down and goes on with his business. She gives in, so apparently we are supposed to accept this as a rape fantasy that she enjoyed.

In today's environment, "no" means "no" doesn't it ladies? So why are so many women on here cooing over the predator? There are several explanations: at the time they saw this movie, they hated their men and wanted to be used by a hot man; they are ugly and/or fat, and fantasize about having a man like the predator; they think it's simply okay to betray your vows and jump on a D if he's hot enough and you think you've got a chance; they have mental illness and self-esteem problems which makes them think getting f'd by a guy makes them desirable.

Face it, gals, you are no better than the men insist are scum.

P.S. I have been married to a wonderful woman, who found this movie and Connie disgusting and said she would never see it again. It made her dislike Diane Lane.

P.S.S. Having sex in a bathroom stall?? That's degenerate doper and/or white trash behavior.

[–] captainbucky (15252) 4 years ago

In regards to the ps. You’re probably not. In regards to everything else, your a trap

[–] RickGee (263) 4 years ago

Thank you for a thoughtful and substantive response.

[–] captainbucky (15252) 4 years ago

You’re quite welcome sir. I’m sorry you’ve only ever had regular missionary intercourse 1 or 2 times.

[–] ItalianBuju (793) 3 years ago

I disagree, this OP is likely a virgin......

[–] captainbucky (15252) 4 years ago

It’s called passion

[–] strntz (10891) 4 years ago

It's said that most women have rape fantasies. The difference is that with a rape fantasy, the woman has complete control. Does having fantasy make women scum? I don't think so. Of course, Connie acted out that fantasy, and here we are..

It's no different than men's fantasies, other than the specifics of course.

The story of this film was about a woman who did something wrong. She knew it the first time she did it and every other time she did it, yet couldn't stop even though it was causing her mental anguish and having a profound effect on her relationship with Edward.

It's fascinating to see someone continually do things they know is harmful as well as morally wrong - and this film is indeed fascinating. I also found it fascinating that a woman who had it all (money, family, doting husband) would risk it for a tryst with a hunky bad boy.

What this film does NOT do is portray Connie's actions as heroic or even acceptable. The only moral lesson this film teaches is that, in this case at least, Connie's cheating brought nothing but regret and eventually tragedy to their lives. Also it's interesting to speculate that had Connie never met Paul, she most likely would have lived her entire life without cheating on her husband.

Paul was also fascinating to watch. He was a predator of sorts who knew women and was excellent at reading them. Paul had a strong suspicion that Connie would find a reason to return after she left the first time. I loved watching his reactions when Edward knocked on his door to confront him about the affair.

[–] Techto (1089) 8 months ago

Connie's cheating brought nothing but regret

It brought Connie and Paul a good deal of pleasure, first.

Reminds me of a scene from The Simpsons where a young Grandpa Simpson, who had quit drinking alcohol just the day before, takes a swig of booze from a flask saying, “Here comes the regret.” He knew he’d regret his decision but couldn’t resist the temptation in the moment.

[–] strntz (10891) 8 months ago

It brought Connie and Paul a good deal of pleasure, first.

Yes, but you took that out of context. Here's the complete quote: "Connie's cheating brought nothing but regret and eventually tragedy to their lives."

Their of course being Connie and Edward. I really didn't mention Paul because in this story, he was pretty much the dick (figuratively *and* literally) in this story..

So my comment wasn't talking about Connie and Paul, it was about Connie and Edward. Clearly she was enjoying the physical part of the sex and was a willing participant because of the hedonistic pleasure of it, but it caused her anguish the entire time. "To their lives".. Her cheating may have brought pleasure to her, and the dick, but not to Connie and Edward's lives. All the affair brought to *their* lives was regret and tragedy.

[–] Techto (1089) 8 months ago

You might have said something like, “in the end, the affair spelled tragedy for Connie and Edward’s marriage”. Had you done so, I would not have objected. But you said the affair brought nothing but regret and eventual tragedy. My point is - as you seem to agree - the affair brought considerable pleasure to both Connie and Paul for a time.

I think it is better to consider the status of Connie and Edward independently rather than as a dyad.

We are in agreement that the affair brought regret to Connie and, fleetingly (we must suppose), Paul. And that it brought eventual tragedy for all three.

[–] Keelai (32064) 4 years ago

It wasn't just a rape fantasy. Connie felt guilty about cheating on her husband and wanted to stop. Paul knew how to manipulate her by turning it into a rape fantasy in order to remove the choice from her since she's "fighting" him. She was now free to have sex with him without the guilt which is what she really wanted to do.

Connie had it all, but she was bored or at least missing the passion and excitement which Paul represented.

I see Paul as more of a womanizer than a predator since the women are freely making the choice to be with him.

This movie has a lot of psychological layers to me which is why I find it interesting. I thought the worst thing Connie did was to give Paul a gift that her husband had given to her. It was an odd thing to do and I'm not sure why she did that. Ed was acting very civil toward Paul until he saw it.

For me, this movie is about people who ruin their lives with bad choices and self-destructive behavior.

"why are so many women on here cooing over the predator? "
Hot French guy. Don't confuse that with his role in this movie.

"Having sex in a bathroom stall??"
Sex in public places is a major sex fantasy of both genders. That's why there is a miles high club.

"It made her dislike Diane Lane."
It's just a movie role. Lane is an actress.

[–] strntz (10891) 8 months ago

I thought the worst thing Connie did was to give Paul a gift that her husband had given to her. It was an odd thing to do and I'm not sure why she did that.

She did that because the gift meant nothing to her - she probably didn't even remember where she got it. That was the point - Edward gave *that* globe to Connie because he thought he was giving her a gift that would mean as much to her as it did to him - something they would both look at and feel wonderful about.

When Edward saw that Connie gave Paul *that* special gift, he knew that the gift he thought was meaningful and special meant nothing to her, and it cut him deep. Maybe it was more than just that - maybe *he* wasn't special to Connie either. It was that realization that pushed him over the edge to strike Paul hard enough to kill him.

[–] lemonhead1 (410) 2 years ago

Predator? Whatever, man-hater!