Did You Want Him to Shoot Him? (SPOILERS)
I did.
shareYeah me too. He had to die.
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I did not because it is what John Doe wanted.
shareIf he did not shoot John Joe, then John Joe would have pleaded insanity and not even gone to prison.
Mills shot him because that was only way he could have justice.
I understand that and have no qualms about what Mills did, I get it, I really do, I’m just saying that I probably wouldn’t have. The question was “Did you want him to shoot…” And there is no guarantee he would have gotten an insanity plea, those are extremely difficult to obtain.
shareBy the way he killed I don't think it is that difficult. He was not a serial killer, he did not kill because he was addicted to it, he did not kill for profit, so what was the reason he killed if he was not insane?
shareIt actually would have been very difficult to prove because all of his murders were premeditated and he knew exactly what he was doing.
"A defendant can be found legally insane if he/she can prove that: They did not know that their actions were illegal. They did not know they were committing the act. They were forced to commit the offense by an irresistible force."
He doesn't fit into any of those categories.
Bingo.
shareIn Australia, at least in NSW, the test is following:
(1) an individual suffers from a “defect of reason”, which is (2) caused by a “disease of the mind”, and, as a result, (3) he or she does not know the “nature and quality” of the act or that it was wrong.
https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2015/11/06/how-the-insanity-defence-against-a-murder-charge-works.html
Although vary from country to country, state to state I think the spirit is the roughly the same. I think John Doe could pass the test.
His crimes were too complicated to be made by an insane person... He knew perfectly what he was doing.
shareBingo.
sharePeople are insane but that does not necessarily mean they are stupid, a lot of insane people are quite smart, not a lot different from geniuses.
I think it is about whether they can tell what is right from wrong.
Well he felt he was doing right, and in some sense it was, turning the sin against the sinner... He would be considered a Blood killer and sentenced to death, I Guess.
shareIf it is up to you and me, yes! But the law sometimes is not that convenient.
Cases like that could attract high profile lawyers offering their services for free, and try their hardest to help him escape justice.
Nope. I wanted him to die horribly the way his victims did. Giving him exactly what he wanted, is not what I would have done.
shareExactly, rotting away in prison obsessing over his failed, would be legacy, is what I would have preferred for him, knowing Mills took the higher path and didn’t succumb to his sick narrative…
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