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Not even this impresses me anymore


The jump cuts, irrelevant shots, the constant intrusion of Scorcese's sensibilities, all so crass, clichéd and boring. One of the great things about Golden Age Hollywood is just how seamless it all is. There is nothing that takes you out of the movie, there is nothing that reminds you you are watching a movie. Great art feels like it just sprung out of thin air. This doesn't feel like that and it really pales in comparison.

It seems to me that this film, along with all the supposed "great films" of the last 40 years are only great as long as you pretend the Golden Age of Hollywood never happened. Which for most people, it is like that due to their ignorance. But if you are like me, and are aware of what came before, you realize how minuscule something like Casino actually is, in terms of artistry.

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But it used to impress you, and then the fan boys made you not like it.

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yes it did impress me, back when I knew nothing, but now it kinda makes me cringe. Not a great film at all. The fanboys just want to be DeNiro or something, I don't know, the psychology of their pathos is very complicated but it has nothing to do with filmmaking at all.

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I don't think anyone wants to be DeNiro, maybe De Niro however. Not sure who you are thinking of. I am sorry there was a time where you knew absolutley nothing about anything. Did you even finish watching this particular movie film? Do you think the right person ran off with the hiest and the the money?

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I think I see the film differently now that I'm older...

When I was young, I was attracted to the nihilism of the movie, like I was seeing the world in all it's dirty glory... Violent, sexy, money, "bad" self gratifying behaviour, etc... You get seduced also by the style of the filmmaking, it's flash and energetic... Not only was I being let in on this secret world, I was also on a thrill ride... It was fun... But there is enough in the movie to recognise even at that time that not all is well with this world that is portrayed...

I think Scoresese's style goes hand in hand with this kind of thrill ride seduction... Seeing it now that I'm a bit older, I see the flashiness for what it is.,. I can still appreciate the ride, but I know what follows a "high"... The style is less of a seducrion, more of a sign of what's to come next...

I watched Alice Doesn't Live Her Anymore and it was interesting to see his style in that movie, and intimate story of a young single mother getting by and trying to be a singer while raising a kid and trying to find love... Scorsese's style really captures the excitment she feels when she's performing, but even he shot the quieter, more intimate moments with her son in a more traditional way...

I think his more recent movies don't have enough of those quieter, intimate moments...

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I assume you refer to gritty realism, which is of course what came after the golden age of hollywood, with the new wave hollywood of the 60's and 70's, with great films like Bonnie And Clyde, and that is great, the rules need to be broken and they still have artistic value, but then you had the Scorceses and Spielbergs to an extent coming along and they have stayed there and so has everyone that came after and it is where we are still right now, and realism is very shocking and really draws you in, but the more one delves into art, the more you realize that realism in and of itself, is not art. So you see these films years later and I often wonder what was good in them in the first place. It seems, style, and art, ages way better than the haughty, snobby gritty realism that came after like Pulp Fiction or whatever, that looks down on the well made, artistic and beautiful film. But those stylish, beautiful and AESTHETIC FILMS, can still take people's breaths away, even the ignorants'. Casino and Pulp Fiction? Not so much anymore. Hell, I don't think even the youngsters of today are impressed by them, so why is the ignorant fanboy press still talking about them? It's weird.

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"and realism is very shocking and really draws you in, but the more one delves into art, the more you realize that realism in and of itself, is not art."

Wait... What?? This is the dumbest shit I've read in a long time.

Many paintings and sculptures are realistic. Do you consider they are not art either??

A movie director expresses himself with a camera and from the moment his ideas are put on screen and are shown to the lublic, it is art. Filmmaking by itself is an art. Make a movie involves creative process, and art is all about creativity and expression.

A director can chose his way to share his vision, and if he wants it to be realistic... He has all the rights. Saying that it's not art is totally ignorant statement.

Btw, it seems like this retarded arguments is used more and more. I don't know on how many pages of different movies I've seen post with people saying "this is no art".

You know Uwe Boll? Is he a genious? No. Are his movies awful? Certainly. Will we talk about his movies in 20 years? Maybe to mock them. Are they still art? Yes. They are not on Leonardo Da Vinci's level of art, but they still are.

If you want go and check the Cambridge Dictionary's definition of art (because I can't copy text on their website from my phone and too lazy to retype it here). I think that pretty much makes your argument fail.

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filmmaking by itself is not art.

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I love casino, but Scorsese's true gem was "THE AVIATOR"

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Saw this again last night and I was surprised at how cheesy and just obvious the cinematic language is. You just KNOW Scorcese is there, it's so bad.

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"Casino" hasn't aged well for me, either. "Goodfellas" is a much better film.

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can't say Goodfellas is much better, they all have that terrible "auteur" cinematography that destroys suspension of disbelief and just destroys a movie.

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I think that Casino's problem is a sub-par script, not '"auteur" cinematography'.

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but that is the problem too.

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