Things that don't make sense


Don't get me wrong, I love, love LOOOOVE Empire. But lets be real and admit there's a lot of shit that doesn't make sense.

1) The opening of the film with Luke alone on Hoth.

Makes no sense. He's a high ranking Rebel leader and he's out alone on a desolate, dangerous planet. What if he runs into the Empire? It's like having Rommel out in the dessert riding a camel, having a look around. And how can the speeders have a problem with the cold? They can build ships that travel through space which is much colder than a planet with an atmosphere and allowable breathing.

2) The scene where the walkers attack

It's really stupid that the Rebels just kind of sit there firing ordinary lasers at the Imperial Walkers that are heavily armored. The Rebels must know that the Walkers are like giant tanks. What are they hoping to accomplish? Why do they sit around like cannon fodder?

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I never realized this. You just added 2 more plot holes to this movie

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There's a lot in the Star Wars universe from beginning to end that doesn't make perfect sense. These are fine examples.

However, I need to bang out some clarification on this misconception: "And how can the speeders have a problem with the cold? They can build ships that travel through space which is much colder than a planet with an atmosphere and allowable breathing."

While true that there is no heat energy in space, it's also a vacuum. A vacuum is the best insulator there is. There is no conduction or convection to remove heat, which leaves just heat energy escaping though radiation, which would be reflected back internally by metal and glass.

Being in ship in the vacuum of space is literally like being in a vacuum thermos or double walled stainless steel Yeti cup.

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The thing is, even though it's called "Star Wars", I don't think Lucas really knows that much about war.

It's still a fun ride but it lacks sophistication in some departments.

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Doesn't know that much about stars either. Not a problem for space fantasy/planetary romance.

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My guesses:

1: Luke was going stir crazy in the cave base, so he ordered some low-ranking scout to give up his assignment and tauntaun, without realizing how dangerous the job was. Because as we all know, Luke is a bit dim, and knows diddly-squat about ice ecosystems.

2: They only had a couple of big guns capable of taking out the biggest AT-ATs, and those guns had to be pointed upwards at the enemy spaceships. If they could only be used to clear passage for the transport ships, then presumably they couldn't be quickly moved 90 degrees to also shoot at the AT-ATs, and Leia had to choose whether to use them to clear passage for the transports or shoot at the AT-ATs.

Also, presumably, those huge anti-spaceship guns were left behind.

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I like those - particularly number two - although I suspect that Luke's patrol might have just been because the Rebels don't have a tonne of people, so even officers had to go out on patrol a couple times.

As to leaving behind guns, I bet they included some booby traps/timed bombs to prevent the Empire getting their mitts on everything. Although, now that I think about it, leaving the incredibly well-funded and heavily-armed Empire two ground-based guns on Hoth wasn't likely to break the war.

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Yeah, to the Rebels, the loss of those big guns was devastating, it meant that the next bugout was going to be that much more dangerous.

To the Empire, the guns were undoubtedly obsolete junk, not worth their value in scrap metal, and not worth transporting off planet. They probably took DNA samples from the guns and blew them up, to keep the Rebels from coming back for them.

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While stuck inside the giant earthworm, Han gets the heebie jeebies and decides to test his location by firing a laser blast on the ground causing the "cave" to earthquake.

But when flying into the worms mouth wouldn't the heat from the engine of the Millenium Falcon do the same thing? Shouldn't it have been spitting out the falcon? if heat hurts it, shouldn't the worm be kind of happy the falcon is leaving? Where do these bats come from? Wouldn't the worm digest the bats too?

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That makes sense to me, but I'm guessing that the worm considered the Falcon to be food. The engines didn't directly contact the creature, so maybe that's it?

It's a good point; the amount of heat from the engines should be more than from the blaster. But maybe it was just the direct contact that did it?

The bats (mynocks) probably have a parasitic or symbiotic relationship with the worm.

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1) I heard the line "we're having trouble adapting them to the cold" many times but never thought of it much. Maybe the speeders are not like X-Wings and are not built for space travel/combat? But yes, having Luke outside by himself without some kind of escort is crazy, he's probably the most wanted man in the Empire at that point!

As for 2), I noticed the scenes where we see the speeder POVs and we see Rebels running around like ants in the snow amidst the chaos, and since they're not in the trenches with the weapons, it would be easy for the walkers to pick them off one by one.

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Han solo and the gang being chased in the Falcon. The Star Destroyer is gaining and they can't go to Hyperspace.

So they turn around and attach the SD.

"Shields up" says the Empire's Admiral.

But notice how Han pulls off his little trick... he attaches himself to the back of one of those Star Destroyer towers and turns the lights off.

Only thing is once the shields are up how can he get anywhere close to touching a Star Destroyer. Isn't that the whole point of shields? Also, no tie fighters with lights flying around to look?

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Maybe Han was under the shields when they went on? Or maybe the shields only repel energy bolts, and not physical objects? Maybe that's how the vulture droids of "ROTS" were able to attach themselves to fighting ships that were presumably shielded.

So we don't know enough about shielding to call that a plot hole. I have spoken!

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"Shields" are always nebulous in sci-fi. They're a bit more defined in Star Trek, but they still suffer systems losses while their shields (literally shown as bubbles that can be extended around ships) are up.

Star Wars it's even more fast-and-loose.

I'd go with the "stops weapons, not ships" thing. The way that lasers still impact on ships while the shields are up makes me think that maybe the shields are a surface-tight "coating" that protects from hard/high impacts. That wouldn't preclude sticking to the ship and would mean that a hard enough hit would still potentially fry internal systems (which we see happen a lot).

Also worth noting: there seem to be two kinds of shields in Star Wars, the kind most ships have (which we're talking about) and the kind that surround the Death Stars and the Rebel base on Hoth. The latter appear to be less forgiving, tougher, and more of a bubble. They also seem to require immense sources of power.

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For the speeders thing. Maybe the speeders have already scouted the area and found no life or droid activity? It's not as if they have just arrived there when the movie begins, they've been there a while. As for freezing speeders. Possibly because frost, ice and snow tend to accumulate on things and could freeze/jam moving parts unlike in space?

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But still overall, you have to accept the Science of a world with hyperspace travel, laser swords, ships dead stopping in space, but they can't build a little transport vehicle that can withstand -30-40 C weather? The science of this Universe is wildly inconsistent.

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I know what you mean. I'm just trying to think about how I would try to explain it.

If you look at this concept art* for Rogue One though, it shows a star destroyer recharging (I'm guessing) maybe all the things you mention are possible but withing the limits of available power or something? It would make for a boring movie though if we had to sit and wait for an hour while the ships charged up between battles/lightspeeding.

*https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/035/595/364/large/andree-wallin-ro1-aw-gigapixel.jpg?1615382185

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Science is "inconsistent." Things do not develop at the same rate. Someone can be very advanced in some things and not in others. Extreme cold with ice and snow is quite likely to cause problems with vehicles; especially if they were not originally designed for that environment.

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Living in a world with the technology isn't the same as having it. Imagine NASA landing a spacecraft on a desert planet, but having been forced there, so they only have a car, not a dune buggy. We (humans) have ATV technology that will cross deserts, but the NASA guys would have to spend days retrofitting the car to travel on sand (if they could even do it at all).

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