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Good for the time, but it has not aged well


When I saw this as a kid, it was incredible. I loved it. It is still entertaining, and Christopher Reeve gave an awesome performance (as well as the others) and the magnificent score by John Williams is so powerful. However, the movie itself has not aged well.
First, the special effects. While some were done well, others have aged terribly.
Second, the script. It had too many glaring plot holes: turning the world back, and Superman "fixing" the San Andreas Fault Line.
Third, Lex Luthor. No offense to Gene Hackman, but he played it too comical and not sinister. That is what Luthor is, was and will always be: a cold, calculating bastard, not someone who monologues while throwing in jokes every now and then. This is what truly takes away the conflict between the two. It is also the greatest weakness of this film. It's enjoyable, still, but in retrospect, it fails to capture the timelessness a spectacular movie.
Of course that's my opinion, I could be wrong.

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I saw it when it came out. I loved it. It's the standard I hold other comic book movies to. If I don't feel like a child at some point, I probably won't like the movie. Just a positive movie. I get why it might be corny to many. That's what Superman was back then.

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I just watched this last night on Netflix for the first time in years and thought it was ten times better than any recent super hero movie. True the special effects are not up to par with modern movies, but that just means the movie relies more on the actors' performances. The musical score is wonderful. Brando and Ford are two of the best actors ever and their small parts in this leave a lasting impact throughout the movie. I could watch this version over and over again and never tire of it. I grew bored with The Man of Steel before the second half.

"The end of the shoelace is called the...IT DOESN'T MATTER!"

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Watched on Netflix this passed Saturday, its still a great film.

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Am watching this for the first time in about 20 years, as it's on Netflix. You're right about some things: Lex Luthor is way too comical and not nearly menacing enough.

However, the music score is great and some of the scenes are really well shot, even with primitive special effects. For example, the helicopter scene is terrifying and seeing Superman fly up for the first time to save the day is spectacular. I liked when Superman as Clark Kent saved Lois Lane by catching the bullet fired by the mugger. You really aren't sure what happened until you see Clark hold the bullet in his hand. Nowadays, that scene would be shot in "bullet time" and you would see the bullet fly towards Lois from multiple angles before Superman caught it.

All of Brando's scenes are fun to watch as well.

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You noticed how they paid a homage of that bullet scene in Wonder Woman? Also in Man of Steel, they chose 2 established actors to play Superman's fathers just like they did here.

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Those things are not plot holes, a plot hole is when something doesn't make sense in relation to the plot of the film. Also he doesn't turn the world back, he goes back in time by flying so fast, the world just looks like it goes backwards because he is going faster than it is turning. Fixing the fault line seems fine to me too.

I agree about Lex Luthor though. It is like they used him for some comic relief in the film but they already had Otis for that, I think Lex should have been more serious.

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Also he doesn't turn the world back, he goes back in time by flying so fast, the world just looks like it goes backwards because he is going faster than it is turning.


Exactly!

WHY is it so hard for people to understand this?



I guess they missed the part where the dam UNBREAKS apart?

In the original script, Lois was not supposed to die. Superman does not go back in time. This idea of time travel was supposed to be the ending for Superman II.

Hasn't these people seen Richard Donner's cut of Superman II? Remember Perry White's Toothpaste going back into the tube? Superman did not make his toothpaste do that.

What we see are these things being undone or going in reverse because TIME is going BACKWARDS... Because Superman is flying backwards in time... and what we are seeing is what HE SEES.

Remember the speed trail behind Superman that formed light rings around the Earth? According to "science", as you approach the speed of light, TIME SLOWS DOWN. While traveling at the speed of light, TIME STOPS. The next step would be going backwards in time.

Sadly, it was just very poorly executed on film...

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I disagree. And while I can certainly understand your assessment, for me the only part of the movie that hasn't aged well are the special effects, which obviously can't hold a candle to those of more recent superhero movies. I think this film has aged far, far better than the Michael Keaton Batman movies. I think this movie is hands down THE best origin story of any superhero yet seen on film. The music, the acting, the setting, it gives it all an epic, almost mythic quality that's entirely appropriate for an iconic hero who has basically become an integral part of America's mythology.

Others have addressed the alleged plot holes, so there's no need for me to go over that again; I basically agree with what's been said. As for Luthor being too comical, I kind of agree, but you have to remember when this movie was made, and what had come before it. This was the first time a comic book superhero had been the subject of a feature film. Prior to that comic book superheroes had only been adapted in TV and movie serials (which were the pre-television equivalent of TV, and had a cast and a budget to reflect this fact). It may be difficult to keep in mind today, when A list actors are lining up to take parts in movies in this genre, but this film was made when comic book superheroes were not that "respectable" as a subject matter for movies. (The success of this film is the major reason that began to change.) In 1978 there was still the feeling that a superhero in tights was rather silly, and a fear that if the movie appeared totally serious in tone, it would be too hard to swallow, given the "kid-stuff" subject matter. So they made a creative decision to balance Reeve's completely serious portrayal with a lighter, more comedic performance from Hackman. It probably was the right decision in the context of 1978, though it hurts the film with some viewers today.

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That's a really good point about the reason why they chose to make Luthor especially comical. I think they just took it a little too far, that's all.

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Good point. I saw it back then in the seventies, and before this movie, there was nothing whatsoever like it. It was, in fact, a revolutionary movie, and the first time this kind of resources was put forth for this kind of juvenile cartoon stuff (no matter what you think, superheroes was and is, KIDS stuff). Sure, modern interpretations try to make the stories adult, but they are still superhero stories, and so they are children's fantasy stories, because the concept of superheroes* is laughably stupid.

That's also the reason why the movies differ so much from the comics - it's a different medium and it is supposed to be for the people who read those stories as KIDS, not for the miniscule brigade of adult fans, who take them serious as adults. A 100% true to the origin movie would just be ridiculous.

The Superman movie does not take itself too seriously, it's only sorta serious when it's about the Lane/Kent relation, the rest is not. The Avengers movie also has a similar vibe, it also doesn't take itself too seriously and play up the comedy and even self-reference. So why didn't people complain? It's the most successful of all of the movies, but probably the least "serious" of all of the new superhero movies (apart from Deadpool).

*in the traditional sense, obviously not counting non-traditional different approaches which aren't real superheroes like Kick-Ass, Super, Watchmen and similar movies.

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I disagree, except regarding the special effects. I still love the film, and firmly believe that great adventures, genuine humor, truly admirable heroes, great chemistry between leading actors, and hot beefcake never go out of style.

If my feelings towards this film and it's successor gave changed over the years, it's because intervening real life has added a layer of sadness to my perceptions. Sometimes it can be heartbreaking to see someone in a prime that was over too soon.

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I'll agree about Luthor. He really wasn't anything like the character from comics.

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I see your problem here. You mean that the one and only good Superman movie hasnt aged well. Means hanst aged well, that its not dark and stupid enough for you? Like the braindead Men Of Stelle or Superman Returns?

This is, without the smallest doubt, the best Superman movie ever done.

And BTW This is a movie. Noone gives a sh*t about how exactly it is at the comic characters if the change is well done. Gene Hackman is, by far, the best Lex Luthor ever done.

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It makes one think why exactly modern comic book movies try to be more serious and for adults, and how it is actually affecting children's minds watching those serious dark comic book movies, sexualization of children these days is also part of it, taking away the innocence out of them basically. Luthor character is serious enough in children's eyes, there's just a bit of absurdist flavor to his character, exaggerated for the purpose to fit into the world where superheroes exist, he's ironically one of the reasons why the movie works so well as a whole, he's perfectly fitting into that kind of world. Everything is exaggerated in comic book films.

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I worry more about how all those serious, dark comic books are affecting the minds of adults.

Some are treating them like they're serious literature or something, and that liking them shows that they're deep and serious people! Which shows a total disconnect from reality, they're just comic books, not the lost works of Henry James.

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