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John "Half-Woke" Carpenter

posted 3 years ago by MinorityRules15 (958)
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While John Carpenter did go with the classic cliche of the "straight white cisgender male" killer, thus portraying all white males as psychotic killers, he had a strong female character in Laurie Strode. Laurie was able to fight with Michael and hold her own. This was very woke.

But, at the end Carpenter had another straight white cisgender male (Loomis) fire the gun into another straight white cisgender male (Michael). Classic example of the man having to come in and finish the job that the woman wasn't capable of finishing herself. This is not woke. Laurie should've been the one to shoot Michael at the end. Maybe Loomis could've given her shooting lessons instead of him joking that someone gave Michael driving lessons.

Thus, Carpenter is half-woke. His heart was in the right place, but he fell right back into the same old boring cliche by the end of the movie.

[–] scannerdarkly (1274) 3 years ago

Why dont you make your own woke movie and see how well it does? Its easy to be an armchair critic who does nothing but trash other peoples efforts.

This movie is well accepted by many, rated highly, and rests within the annals of classic cinema.

[–] MovieKnut (184) 3 years ago

"straight white cisgender male" killer, thus portraying all white males as psychotic

To the feeble minded, perhaps that would be might be the case. However, the vast majority do not make this ridiculous assumption.

[–] GetWokeGoBroke (646) 2 years ago

MinorityRules15 There was no such thing as "Woke" back in 1978 nor did it ever come to anybody's mind in those days. The radical far left didn't even surface until the Obama era, that's where the whole Woke thing started.

[–] MinorityRules15 (958) 2 years ago

No, that's only when it became more talked about in the mainstream.

[–] GetWokeGoBroke (646) 2 years ago

No, it didn't exist at all before Obama.... I remember. You had Liberals but they weren't these crazy radical SJWs that you see now causing havoc, it's a whole 'nother level now.

[–] Martoto (4254) 2 years ago

You've never watched Kojak or any 70s TV dramas. They were woke af for the time.

[–] MinorityRules15 (958) 2 years ago

He's probably a little kid. Especially with a nerdy ass username like that.

[–] GetWokeGoBroke (646) 2 years ago

Nope, not a little kid and my username is not "nerdy" at all: it's the facts, snowflake. Don't get snotty with me lol. "MinorityRules15" sounds nerdier to me, you're probably the little kid here because you obviously don't know what the hell you're even talking about, and you sound like Gen Z. Let me ask you this, do you support Wokeness or are you against it? Why make this dumb post in the first place, what is your point here?

[–] MinorityRules15 (958) 2 years ago

You will have to tell me what you mean by wokeness. There's various levels. My opinion on it can vary based on each level. But, I will say that I don't get all mad and offended and outraged like a tender little flake about it like all the right-wingers do...a lot of those people are the biggest flakes of them all. They way they look like they are about to pop a blood vessel over some of the milquetoast shit is actually quite amusing.

[–] GetWokeGoBroke (646) 2 years ago

Martoto I have watched 70's TV dramas and they are not Woke. You don't know what Woke really is if you think any of that stuff was Woke. Wokeness is an abnormality, it should not exist.

[–] MinorityRules15 (958) 2 years ago

"Stay Woke" goes back to the 1930's. But now it's in the mainstream and you have all different kinds of people coming into contact with this stuff for the first time...and well...here we are.

[–] BOandBarbecue (2264) 2 years ago

This film half wrote by John Carpenter wife at time, Debra Hill. this film is not woke, but you may feel woke as a female touch is in film.

john carpenter write all his script from heart. impossible for this mans to be "woke". he is antidote to woke.

[–] MinorityRules15 (958) 2 years ago

That makes absolutely no sense.

[–] BOandBarbecue (2264) 2 years ago

laurie does not shoot michael because she have no experience with firearm. she just high school girls. if movie come out today laurie beat up michael and shoot him with rocket launcher. so you are correct. this is anti wokes.

loomis is one of main character and responsible for michael running amoks. it is just that he shoot michael himself, as he frankenstein creator. this would not happen in todays planet woke. so again you are correct.

laurie put up good fight against michael but laurie dead without loomis. so not woke.

i do not see woke element in film. female character is strong but strong female is not woke. seeing woman in danger in horror is more suspense for audience instead of man.

problem today in woketard film is not strong female character, it is badlys directed and badlys acted strong female character in film wrote with cynical agenda by hack chosen from quota.

[–] MinorityRules15 (958) 2 years ago

So you seem to agree that the film is "Half-Woke," which is what my OP was about.
I admire your P.H.D. level analysis.

[–] BOandBarbecue (2264) 2 years ago

incorrects. i cannot see woke elements.

i dont understand where woke is in halloween. stong female? she cant shakes michael until loomis blow away.

[–] MinorityRules15 (958) 2 years ago

She still put up a good fight.

[–] BOandBarbecue (2264) 2 years ago

i have no problem with female chracter put up good fight as long as good film with no agenda.

woke in film is poor qualities & cynic. like mary sue in farce awaken and captain pancake.

[–] MinorityRules15 (958) 2 years ago

Whatever you say.

[–] Martoto (4254) 2 years ago

Only so Loomis could come to her rescue. The audience were able to enjoy Laurie getting roughed up and for Loomis to be the hero.

[–] TruMovieFan (1969) 2 years ago

About like your OP.....

[–] kwestmo (4118) 2 years ago

This thread is hilarious. Thanks for starting and continuing to it.

[–] MinorityRules15 (958) 2 years ago

No problem. You're welcome.

[–] pjl69 (2435) 2 years ago

Laurie wasn't a strong female, but very vulnerable and that's what made the movie scarier. Can't compare to feminist rambos of the present day.

[–] MinorityRules15 (958) 2 years ago

She was stronger than most of the other characters. She managed to stun Michael a few times. She even improvised some weapons.

[–] pjl69 (2435) 2 years ago

She had edge over her friends because she was aware of her surroundings more, while her friends thought only about boyfriends and sex...

[–] MinorityRules15 (958) 2 years ago

I know.