Loves Killing Kids/Babies - Jesus Christ Discussion

aaaand...... so do we!!! Win win, it looks like. :)

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[–] Satan2016 (23579) 2 years ago

Most of those predate Jesus, even the Greek philosophers.

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[–] OnanTheBarbarian (10620) 2 years ago

Exactly. Most of those are old Hebrew law which Jesus came to reform. He threw out all of that.

And the quotes from NT are about honoring the father and the mother. That applies to adult children, not "kids/babies".

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[–] Leodicaprio (6426) 2 years ago

Matthew 5:17 (“Do not think that I have come to abolish Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them

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[–] OnanTheBarbarian (10620) 2 years ago

Meh. What's The Law and what was just ancient Hebrew tribal custom? I'm neither circumcised nor do I eat kosher. Nowhere in the NT do they advocate killing "Kids/Babies".

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[–] Leodicaprio (6426) 2 years ago

Jesus is god no? god sure did kill a lot of babies.

the text makes no sense. either way

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[–] OnanTheBarbarian (10620) 2 years ago

I'm an atheist. But I know the Bible and I'm just referring to the theology. Also Jesus and God the Father are not the same being. It's more complicated if you get into the Trinity.

I'm just saying Jesus is not liable for Hebrew tribal custom. And those verses from the NT say nothing about killing babies: Mark 7:9 & Matthew 19:29

The OP is trolling.

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[–] Leodicaprio (6426) 2 years ago

"I'm an atheist. But I know the Bible and I'm just referring to the theology. Also Jesus and God the Father are not the same being. It's more complicated if you get into the Trinity.
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depends on your denomination. another flaw in religion

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[–] OnanTheBarbarian (10620) 2 years ago

Why are denominations a flaw? Do you expect there to be one church and anything else is heresy?

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[–] Leodicaprio (6426) 2 years ago

the fact that they dont all agree with the trinity.

"Why are denominations a flaw? Do you expect there to be one church and anything else is heresy?"

of course. The word of god should be absolute right? hes the ultimate authority and never wrong. yet there's over 1000 denominations who all disagree from the mundane to the fundamental and foundational.

they cant all be right. but they can all be wrong.

im just saying for a "loving god": who wants us to know him and live by his word. he sure hasn't been clear and spread a lot of confusion

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[–] OnanTheBarbarian (10620) 2 years ago

Well the Trinity is found nowhere in the Bible. It was invented by the church in Rome and anyone who disagreed was persecuted as a heretic. So for centuries in Europe you had your dream of one church without any room for disagreement.

Do you believe all Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and atheists should join this one Christian church as well?

That's the beauty of freedom. We can all worship or not worship as we see fit.

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[–] Leodicaprio (6426) 2 years ago

a lot isnt found in the bible. you can literally find anything you want to support you. and when you do find a passage, others say no!!! thats allegory! its a metaphor! you need hermeneutics.

I wouldn't say my dream, im an a-theist in the vein of Dawkins, Hitchens and Dillahunty

I think all religious people are equally delusional. its damaging and religious people will read the same passage, and each argue it supports their completely dichotomous view.

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[–] OnanTheBarbarian (10620) 2 years ago

I disagree there. There is beauty in religion. I'm an atheist but I do not like or trust doctrinaire atheism. It can be as bad as religion.

I wouldn't say a Hindu or Buddhist pantheist is delusional. He does not believe in an anthropomorphic god and he accepts the universe as a holistic system. Yet his belief is no more provable than any Christian denomination's.

So is Hitchens right or is the Dalai Lama right? I agree with both that there is no Sky Fairy. But they both offer very different views of the universe.

So can you say a doctrinaire atheist like Hitchens doesn't have the same bias as a denominational Christian? There are atheist "denominations" as well.

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[–] Leodicaprio (6426) 2 years ago

there is no such thing as doctrinaire atheism. atheism is a lack of belief.

then in my opinion hindus and Buddhists are delusional.

there arent atheists denominations anywhere close to the religious. for an atheist you sure do use all the same arguments christians use.

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[–] OnanTheBarbarian (10620) 2 years ago

And yet you don't seem to realize that you're showing the same denominational disrespect for other atheists that Catholics do for Baptists.

There are many different atheist doctrines. As I noted, Hitchens' theories are very different than those of a Hindu atheist or a Buddhist atheist. And you're ignorant if you don't realize there are atheistic Buddhists and Hindu atheists.

Most pantheists are atheists and reject the idea of a creator god. They certainly don't anthropomorphize "god" or even accept the existence of a g-o-d. You have no objective proof that they are delusional.

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[–] nte1igentwon (935) 2 years ago

Typical bullshit apologetics. Please explain how you divorce Jesus([g]od) from what [g]od "said" in the the Old Testament? In opposition to the laws of logic, supposedly Jesus IS god and it exposes the fallacy of Christianity that your ilk always attempt to dismiss the OT.

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[–] OnanTheBarbarian (10620) 2 years ago

The Bible doesn't say Jesus is God the Father. Many Christians believe they are two distinct and separate beings.

Gnostic Christians even believe the God of the OT was an evil Demiurge whom Christ rejected.

There's not one Christian doctrine on this.

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[–] Leodicaprio (6426) 2 years ago

so they cant all be right, but they can all be wrong. again saying Jesus isnt responsible for anything is nonsense if you believe in that sky daddy BS

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[–] OnanTheBarbarian (10620) 2 years ago

Pffffft. I look at Christianity the way I look at ancient Greek religion or Hinduism or Voodoo. I love the theology. We can discuss it without your childhood traumas getting in the way.

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[–] Leodicaprio (6426) 2 years ago

childhood trauma? I had a great experience going to catholic schools. they taught all the best parts left out the bad parts. id send my kid to one if I had one.

wtf are you talking about?

maybe dont say such dumb shit defending the bible then when you are wrong.

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[–] OnanTheBarbarian (10620) 2 years ago

So that's your problem. You were raised in the bullshit and react personally to it. My family wasn't religious and I was raised to think on my own. You take it too personal. It's just a religious philosophy i.e. theology. I can analyze it rationally. You're too heavily invested.

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[–] Leodicaprio (6426) 2 years ago

are you fucking illiterate? I literally said I had a great experience and would send my kid there.

buddy you are missing half a brain. you are fucking stupid

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[–] OnanTheBarbarian (10620) 2 years ago

You're gonna send your kid to go to a school and learn to worship the "sky daddy"? Shove a dildo up your ass, troll. I don't have time for your nonsense.

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[–] Leodicaprio (6426) 2 years ago

LOL the self projection. have you came out as gay yet?

awwww use that as a cop out to run. because I called out your fucking nonsense. little bitch

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[–] samoanjoes (51588) 2 years ago

I thought this was going to be a troll post, but I can't deny that you came with receipts.

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[–] OnanTheBarbarian (10620) 2 years ago

He's trolling.

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[–] Leodicaprio (6426) 2 years ago

you are just an apologist for nonsense. he gave you the evidence.

you said "ya but but thats the old testament" 1. it all wasn't. 2. I gave you evidence of Jesus saying he didnt come to change the law

I have you evidence Jesus dent come to change those laws" and I get

you said "ya but but but those weren't laws its Hebrew tradition!!"

then when I show thats nonsense. I get

"ya but but but but but not all Christians believe Jesus is god!!!"

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[–] OnanTheBarbarian (10620) 2 years ago

Did a priest grab your ass when you were a choirboy? Too much butthurt on your part. Think rational.

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[–] Leodicaprio (6426) 2 years ago

YOU "Exactly. Most of those are old Hebrew law which Jesus came to reform. He threw out all of that.

ME -Matthew 5:17 (“Do not think that I have come to abolish Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them

you -"Meh. What's The Law and what was just ancient Hebrew tribal custom? I'm neither circumcised nor do I eat kosher. Nowhere in the NT do they advocate killing "Kids/Babies"."

again that wasnt the argument. im the only one thinking logically. you are talking about child rape. you need help loser. you got exposed and you are having a fit

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[–] OnanTheBarbarian (10620) 2 years ago

Where did the priest touch you?

Hold back the tears and show me where Jesus ever advocated killing babies.

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[–] Leodicaprio (6426) 2 years ago

reading isnt your strong suit is it?

I demolished you and thats all you got loser?

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