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What does it say about American politics when....


The Speaker of the House refuses to meet with the families of dead police officers but meets with the family of a woman that attacked the US Capitol and assaulted people inside? (And for you keyboard commanders, she did commit assault - assault is the reasonable apprehension of a battery, not only that, it would most likely be deemed an aggravated assault because of elements of that most likely existed within her behavior).

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And for you keyboard commanders...

You wont fend off the devoted that easily. Theres a guy in the other thread who thinks that because we dont know that she wasnt trying to merely trying to use the restroom , that she is a blameless martyr in the whole thing.


Republicans will for some reason defend absolutely any outrageous behavior of their ilk. (and theres plenty of it!)
Never once have I seen one say "yeah that was one of ours, he went too far"
Whatever mental problem causes this is probably what also forces them to believe Donald Trumps insane election rigging lies.

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Never once have I seen one say "yeah that was one of ours, he went too far"


Well, the guy arguing with the poster who said that because we don't know Babbit wasn't breaking in just to use the bathroom she shouldn't have been shot, was me.

I'm a Republican and I'm not alone as one who says Babbit went too far.

Make no mistake, there is plenty of blame to go around. Why were the protesters allowed in? There is a video of a Trump supporter imploring the Capitol police to stop the protesters from entering the building, and they did nothing but sit there, but that doesn't excuse the small handful of nuts like Babbit who went too far.

Have you forgotten the whole binary process of leftists who found none of Trump's policies to be good and none of Biden's to be bad?

For the record, I've applauded Sleepy Joe's plan to help Ukraine stave off the Russian scum that infests that country, but the vast majority of things that he does (or his handlers) is hurting America.

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There was a theory that the Capitol Police who let the protestors in were collaborators or Trump sympathizers. Or it could be that they were just too overwhelmed to resist or they didn't want to kill their fellow citizens. I don't know, but we should know. I don't recall this being addressed by the Select Committee and I don't think the Republicans interested in finding out the truth.

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I don't know, but we should know.


I agree. Whoever was involved should be known, but I also wouldn't discount the Dems arranging for this. I admit that I haven't spent all that much time following the Capitol riot because it was pretty much a non-event, but I've *heard* that Trump requested security for the protest but it didn't materialize.

The video I saw showed the police to be pretty much on stand down - they didn't seem all that concerned and certainly not overwhelmed.

If the Dems arranged to let them in, then the Republicans fell into the trap. In any case, if they just wandered in and didn't do any damage, it wouldn't have mattered. The few rabble gave all Republicans a bad name.

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Why would the Democrats want to disrupt the election of their own guy as president?

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its the ever present magat "false flag" excuse for anything where where option #1 "it didnt happen" cant be used

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Why would the Democrats want to disrupt the election of their own guy as president?


They wouldn't be.

There was no more chance those fools changing the election than Madonna accepting her age. If the doors weren't opened, no one would have gone inside, and the whole thing would have been a non-event. All that riot did was allow the small percentage of nuts in that otherwise peaceful (however raucous) protest to make all Republicans look bad.

You have to admit, if the Dems were behind that, you have to tip your hat. Babbit and the handful of other wingnuts played into their hands perfectly.

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If somebody commits a crime, it doesn't matter if they achieved their ultimate goal or not.

Let me ask you, if the doors were wide open, like you say, why were people climbing and tearing down fences, and smashing and climbing through windows to get in?

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If somebody commits a crime, it doesn't matter if they achieved their ultimate goal or not.


It does not. I am not in any way defending the nuts who went overboard and destroyed property.

But it is a fact that the Capitol police stood down and let the nuts run amuck, and while it in no way absolves the hooligans, it also doesn't absolve the Capitol police for not keeping order.


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The Capitol Police certainly were not prepared for the type of violence they faced and command and control did order that they not use some of the more serious anti riot tools at their disposal. This has been investigated and conclusive drawn. As you'd expect, security agencies do not make their weaknesses and vulnerabilities known to the public.

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"Republicans will for some reason defend absolutely any outrageous behavior of their ilk."

And democrats won't?
Partisan scum like you are why western society is split like never before.

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The comparison isn't even valid or close.

And where did the poster you replied to make any comment toward you that deserves that poster be referred to as "scum?"

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Partisans like him who are willing to look away, or worse, as long as it hurts the opposition are what divide and destroy western countries from within. That alone makes him, and others like him, scum.

It's rather simple.

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Hm, sounds like you are talking about Trump supporters.

Still, the poster didn't deserve to be called "scum" and that is one of the problems here - too many people resort to name-calling when not appropriate (though I do admit my share, but only when deserved).

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"Hm, sounds like you are talking about Trump supporters."
As suspected, you're just part of the problem.
What an incredibly ignorant move to try to get a jab in with a "hurr durr ye tolkin bout de trompists!".

No, I am talking about ANYONE willing to act like this and it should have been clear from my previous posts where I put emphasis of "partisans like him" being the problem. I didn't say he's wrong about republicans, my issue is him pretending with a straight face that it is a one-sided issue, when it isn't. Not even remotely and the past few years should have made this very clear to anyone observing US politics somewhat open-minded.

"Still, the poster didn't deserve to be called "scum""
I do not care about your opinion on this matter and stand by my conclusion after already explaining why I consider these people to be so dangerous and thus deserving to be called scum.

"(though I do admit my share, but only when deserved)"
But of course!

It's interesting that you consider your own name calling to be perfectly justified but dare to call out others.
It hardly gets more arrogant and hypocritical.

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No, what I suggested is my responses occur when provoked. If someone goes that route, I will not shy away.

But comparing the "look the other way" when it comes to Trump and his behavior and those that continue to offer him support after such behavior is a false equivalency when compared to the behavior of others. It is not even close.

But alas, I forgot my own rule about engaging Trump supporters - anyone that continues to support this man after all he has done is beyond reach to intelligent engagement. So, goodbye.


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I didn't make any comparisons, but I guess you need a strawman of some sort. Have it.

Also... what has he done and why does this overshadow the fact that he was a, surprisingly, good president?

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It's interesting that you say he was "surprisingly good". I think that he did do some things that were good, but the fact that, as you say, they were a surprise is because they generally weren't things he ran on or emphasized while running. Some are things that he says he now regrets doing. It all depends on which puppeteers were putting things in front of him to sign at the time. A broken clock is right twice a day as they say.

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Trump was a terrible president. He fired a pandemic response team right before a pandemic. That blunder cost him the election.

Signed, million man.

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Partisans like him who are willing to look away, or worse, as long as it hurts the opposition are what divide and destroy western countries from within. That alone makes him, and others like him, scum.

look away from what ffs?
This thread is about the attempt to overthow the government by a bunch of deluded Trump supporters who for some reason believed the clearly bullshit lie of "it was a fix" called out by the election losing president because his infantile mind is incapable of admitting he is not the second coming of christ.


If you have a specific instance of something that "the left" has done , or not done
that has "destroy western countries from within" as you put it , then name it.



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"Republicans will for some reason defend absolutely any outrageous behavior of their ilk."

And democrats won't?
Partisan scum like you are why western society is split like never before.

When there are similar examples on the Democrat side, we can compare notes. Until then, your whataboutism is no more than idle speculation.

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