Can someone please explain to me why Democrat party leaders want to argue that impeachment is unnecessary?
But the court victories are providing Democrats with momentum as they accelerate their Trump investigations - and providing fodder for party leaders to argue impeachment proceedings aren't necessary as they make legal headways.
"The court wins are also providing House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and other top Democrats with some cover as they look to fend off calls by progressive parts of the party to initiate impeachment proceedings as a way to advance the investigations.
"House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Thursday that he had urged Pelosi earlier this week to consider opening an impeachment inquiry into Trump in order to boost lawmakers's chances of winning in court.
"But he admitted this week's legal victories have made that argument 'much weaker.'"
So the call from some Dems for an impeachment inquiry as a means to advance investigations becomes unnecessary if they're being advanced through the courts.
As a political matter, Pelosi and others think impeachment proceedings will work against the Democrats so they don't want it.
I see. Thank you. So for the Democrats who want to skip impeachment that they feel will fail- what do they hope to get out of the investigations?
shareOn MSNBC they have people (former PROSECUTERS like JILL Wine Banks) who worked on the IMPEACHMENT of TRICKY DICK during the WATERGATE situation.
And she also keeps explaining how the HEARINGS were going on AT THE SAME TIME as the INVESTIGATION, and how those PUBLIC HEARINGS also helped to EDUCATE the PUBLIC about what was going on.
So the GOAL could be to have HEARINGS as a way to BETTER EDUCATE people who don't have TIME to read that 400 PAGE REPORT, but THE SCAM MAN is doing EVERYTHING he can to KEEP EVERYONE in that REPORT from TESTIFYING at a HEARING.
That's why they've ISSUED the SUBPONEAS, which have been IGNORED, and why the COURT is INVOLVED in the MATTER NOW.
In other words, THE SCAM MAN doesn't want to have any PUBLIC HEARINGS, because he also knows what the RESULT was back when they had them for TRICKY DICK NIXON who was also CAUGHT CHEATING the GOVERNMENT out of ALMOST HALF a MILLION in INCOME TAXES.
And before he was caught doing that he also INSISTED that HE WAS NOT a CROOK.
Which is also why anyone who was ALIVE and OLD ENOUGH to remember can see the many PARALLELS between TRICK DICK NIXON and the SCAM MAN.
So that's probably the GOAL, to try to have HEARINGS as a way to BETTER EDUCATE the PUBLIC who's been MISLEAD by that FAT MAN BARR about what's been happening.
To satisfy Democrats who are adamant about taking Trump to task and to potentially unearth past misconduct that could damage, cripple or end his presidency. It also works politically by keeping him embattled, keeping a cloud of suspicion over his head.
shareIts impeachment vs investigation. The dem leadership thinks investigating him will hurt him by revealing the truth but they fear impeachment might strengthen him by failing to impeach him out of office.
The problem with that second part is impeachment is more than just a vote. Impeachment proceedings could end up much like a trial and put all the evidence against him forward for everyone to see which could potentially hurt him more than an investigation.
Back when BILL CLINTON was IMPEACHED by the REPUBLICANS in the HOUSE, the DEMOCRATIC MEMBERS of the SENATE REFUSED to RATIFIY what they did, and then he was ELECTED AGAIN, because the PUBLIC felt his IMPEACHMENT had been UNFAIR to him.
That's what some of the DEMOCRATS FEAR could happen again.
Only this time they would be the one's to IMPEACH the SCAM MAN who ran the FAKE UNIVERSITY and the FAKE CHARITY, and then the REPUBLICAN MEMBERS of the SENATE would refuse to BACK UP what they've done, which they're afraid would help to get the SCAM MAN ELECTED again (the same way as CLINTON got SYMPATHY and got ELECTED again).
Because theY also know the SENATE that's RUN by REPUBLICANS WON'T back up the HOUSE if they IMPEACH him, thus also making what the members of HOUSE would do a WASTE of TIME.
So they're trying to find a BETTER WAY to spend their time in hopes that PUBLIC SUPPORT will also GROW for what they're doing (the same way as it did back when TRICKY DICK had ARTICLES of IMPEACHMENT drawn up against him).
Because POLLS also indicate that most of the PUBLIC aren't in favor of IMPEACHMENT either.
Which also MAKES NO SENSE when you consider how the MAIN REASON people VOTED for so many DEMOCRATIC members of the HOUSE in the LAST MID TERM ELECTION was to PUT a CHECK on HIM.
And that's what THE NEWEST Elected members of the HOUSE keep telling other members, that the MAIN reason why they're there and were ELECTED is to GET RID of the SCAM MAN.
Therefore also leaving one with a HOUSE that's even more DIVIDED now because of the SCAM MAN, who also CREATES CHAOS wherever he goes and whatever he does.
Sounds like a better strategy to keep investigating then to impeach if impeachment is bound to fail.
Who does these polls? I tend to wonder how accurate they are.
Vox's "Democrats’ Impeachment Dilemma, Explained" provides a pretty good summary of what's going on in the Democratic House at the moment:
https://www.vox.com/2019/4/23/18510850/democrats-impeachment-pelosi-mueller-trump
Many other articles and videos out there of course.
The PROBLEM of course is by NOT IMPEACHING HIM the way they should be doing that also ENABLES HIM …
the same way as other members of the GOP keep doing …
each time they also look the other way and DO NOTHING to STOP him from behaving the way he keeps doing.
Because the GOP is also AFRAID of HIM and of NOT being ELECTED to office again if they say anything BAD about him.
So that also means BOTH PARTIES FEAR HIM, which also ENABLES HIM to keep behaving like the DISGUSTING kind of a BULLY that he's always been.
The PROBLEM of course is by NOT IMPEACHING HIM the way they should be doing that also ENABLES HIM …
It will at least CEMEMT his LEGACY in HISTORY if they IMPEACH HIM, even IF the SENATE refuses to have a TRIAL or do anything else.
And I also agree about how the NEXT ELECTION shouldn't be a FACTOR that they take into consideration when making the decision to IMPEACH HIM.
But apparently the CLINTON situation has them all SPOOKED and worried that if they IMPEACH that would only make others have SYMPATHY for him and result in his being able to remain in office again after the 2020 ELECTION is over.
You're not alone in how you see it.
shareThe PROBLEM is how the SCAM MAN thinks he's ABOVE the LAW which he sees as BEING something that DOESN'T even APPLY to him.
And if someone doesn't DO SOMETHING to SHOW HIM that's NOT the case, the SITUATION will only GET WORSE.
Do we really WANT or NEED another SHUT DOWN again???
These TEMPER TANTRUMS he has are bad enough when there's not an EMERGENCY situation, but the next time we're dealing with one, what happens then???
So far we've been VERY LUCKY to not have another 911 SITUATION happen.
But with THE SCAM MAN in office other countries are also feeling much more BOLD now due to the way they see him as being such a WEAK and HIGLY INCOMPETENT LEADER.
So one also shouldn't be SURPRISED to see someone try to ATTACK US again with him in POWER which is still another reason why we need to make the effort to GET RID of HIM.