I recently watched Transformers: Rise of the Beasts with my little brother.
While I didn't hate it, I found it severely underwhelming. The trailer for it was freaking epic. The movie was just OK imo.
Another one that's pretty famous is Suicide Squad 2016. That trailer is still to this day, one of the best promotional materials ever put out. The movie is pretty shite though
Many, many years ago, I realized that there was an inverse relationship between the quality of the trailer and the quality of the finished film. All the best trailers are for absolutely shitty films, and the best films tend to have trailers that don't prepare you for how awesome the film is.
Case in point, the awesome "Bohemian Rhapsody" trailer for the dreadful film "Suicide Squad". The trailer is a master class in film editing, the movie was an incoherent mess:
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?&q=suicide+squad+bohemian+raphsody+trailer&&mid=2D4E5FDA0C86C84DEE5C2D4E5FDA0C86C84DEE5C&&FORM=VRDGAR "Suicide Squad":
Trailer editing is honestly an art. But it legit sucks when it's a much better watch than than the actual film.
shareWhen they saw that finished trailer, the makers of "Suicide Squad" would have been wise to delay the release of the film by a few months, and hire the editor of the trailer above to fix that mess before they released it.
shareI read way back that they gave it to a "trailer house", i.e a studio that specialises in trailer editing.
The studio apparently didn't have that much faith in the film & wanted to focus more on the marketing than the actual film.
Wow, you know a lot about a really bad movie!
So tell me... whose fault was that incoherent mess?
Oh yes, I'm a big DC fan. So I'm kind of an "expert" in the failure/mess that is the DCEU..
The thing is, David Ayer (apparently) made a completely different movie. But it was deemed "too dark".
They (the studio) wanted something fun & colorful like Marvel. More specifically like Guardians of the Galaxy & Deadpool
Ayer's version of the film was then cut & redited to make it look different.
WB Execs constant interference ruined a lot of shit to do with DC movies.
Slightly off topic, but when youtube film critic Lindsay Ellis dissected the mess that was the three "The Hobbit" films, she titled one of her segments "The Desolation of Warners" instead of "The Desolation of Smaug"*, because the studio interference from Warners was so awful and doomed the whole enterprise. So apparently Warners has or had a big problem with ruining movies.
It really is a shame about the DCEU, the whole thing could have been fun, but IMHO the only DCEU movie that was actually good was "Wonder Woman". Okay, "Aquaman" was fun, but that's not the same thing as good.
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* The other two segments were called "A Long-Expected Autopsy", and "The Battle of Five Studios". They are awesome, anyone who is either a fan of Middle-Earth or who saw that mess should check them out!
Adding those videos to my queue.
I liked Wonder Woman until the third act happened. Enjoyed Aquaman. Thought it was a fun action adventure.
For better or worse, Zack Snyder actually had a plan for the DCEU. WB never had any plans for DC. They just wanted to catch up to or emulate the MCU but wanted to take a shortcut instead of building their universe.
Yes, but Snyder's plan for the DCEU seemed to be "Make everything as gray, dreary, and joyless as possible!". Of course some DC fans love gray and dreary stuff and hate fun, so it's nice they had some films made to their tastes, but I'm not a fan of Snyder or his DCEU.
BITTER,MURDER HAPPY BATMAN GOING AT IT WITH SUPES IS THE ONLY PART OF SNYDER'S DCEU THAT I ENJOY...AFFLECK WAS SOLID...EVERYTHING ELSE WAS CRAP...I SURE WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE AYER VERSION OF SUICIDE SQUAD.
shareCan I ask what you thought of "Wonder Wonan" and "Aquaman"? Those were fun!
And "WW" was actually good.
I THINK WONDER WOMAN IS GOOD...BUT VERY OVERRATED AND THE THIRD ACT IS KIND OF TERRIBLE...WHICH LEADS INTO A COMPLETELY TERRIBLE SEQUEL...I HAVE NO DESIRE TO SEE EITHER AGAIN.
AQUAMAN IS BIG,COLORFUL,DUMB AND MOSTLY FUN...BUT I HAVE NO DESIRE TO REWATCH IT.
BUT...I WOULD WATCH ALL THE ANGRY BATMAN TRYING TO MURDER SUPERMAN SCENES FROM BATMAN VS SUPERMAN RIGHT NOW THOUGH...NOT THE REST OF THE MOVIE...JUST THE TERMINATOR BATMAN PARTS.
Exactly! Since they clearly didn't want THAT, why the fuck didn't they just fire him?!?!
That has always astounded me. Like the guy does NOT make "fun romps". Which is what they wanted.
After the reception of Man of Steel, they STILL gave him BvS & Justice League. Who the hell was even in charge of the shitshow?!
I have no idea what anyone at Warners was thinking about the whole DCEU, except "Comic-book movies make money".
And then there's the fact that the sort of DC Fans that hate fun stuff do like to loudly demand Snyder's sort of dreariness, although when they get it they usually complain just as loudly about the dreary stuff as they do about anything fun. Look what they said about "The Batman", which seemed to be exactly the sort of thing they said they wanted.
Yeah, fans bitch about something & when they get it, they still find a way to bitch some more.
Personally, I genuinely love dark & dreary BUT it has to fit the character. Batman & The Punisher should be dark.
Spider-man & Superman shouldn't be brooding characters.
I think a good mix of both dark & silly, works. Like the early phases of the MCU. They had serious & also lighthearted characters/movies.
Nowadays, almost every character feels like deadpool lite. A sarcastic joke machine who makes constant references.
Yes, Batman stuff should be dark and Bats himself shouldn't have a sense of humor, if he could laugh at his troubles then he wouldn't have become Batman! Which is why I'm not a Batman fan. I get enough dark and dreary on the job, I don't need to pay to see more.
No, I like my entertainment light, weird, and funny, and Marvel has done an excellent job of producing the sort of stuff that I like. And I do think there should be a lightness to Superman, not necessarily a lot of humor although of course I like humor, I just think that Superman should be... better than us. I absolutely adore the early 1980s films about him, where Supes's goodness was contrasted with a cynical world, and think Snyder is about the worst possible person to be making films about him. He really should have concentrated on Batman stuff, but wasn't Nolan still making grim Batman movies at the time Snyder got the DCEU? Not that the studio has a problem with two Batman franchises at once...
From what I remember, one of the writers of the Dark Knight trilogy, David S. Goyer pitched the idea of a dark & brooding Superman to Chris Nolan.
And he in turn pitched it to WB. And since it was during TDKR, (the pitch that is), he gave the reigns to Snyder. And that's how we ended up with a depressing Superman.
Imo, the Chris Reeve movie is timeless cause it perfectly captured who Superman is & what he stands for.
Maybe a top-flight director could make a grim Superman movie work, but Snyder isn't a great director. He made a movie about humanity dragging Superman down to their level, which shouldn't be what Superman means.
As far as liking both dark and light stuff, that's sensible and normal. If I prefer the light stuff, well, that's a preference formed by too much professional acquaintance with the dark side of the world. I like movies that serve as an antidote, you know?
I get it, I totally do. You like lighthearted fun? Awesome. You like dark & brooding? Great. One is not necessarily better than the other.
Just let people enjoy what they like. You know? To each their own. 🙂
And in terms of types of Superhero flicks, I like both dark adaptations & fun, weird romps.
But when they become too much of either, it becomes a bit much. They just start to feel samey. At least that my experience
Green Lantern
Man of Steel
Batman v Superman
I'm a DC fan and don't actually hate any of those, but they were nowhere near as good as the trailers made out.
I don't hate them but I don't think they're great either. I really liked Man of Steel though.
The trouble with DC trailers for the most part is, they give away waaaay too much. They're like Sony in that regard.
I mean whose bright idea was it to reveal Doomsday in the freaking trailer?! So dumb!
And I remember they released like a 5 minute trailer for Aquaman.
I remember years ago seeing this trailer for Young Einstein, and from what I understand the actual movie is even WORSE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEL_BT_Z6Yg
I have a feeling that for most movies, the trailer is better than the movie.
shareRight now, A24 (the studio) are the only ones that still do genuinely good trailers imo.
Blumhouse trailers aren't bad either. But the big studios' trailers suck balls most of the time. And they give way way too much.
Nearly all of them.
Agree on Rise of the Beasts.
I LIKE RISE OF THE BEASTS AND SUICIDE SQUAD 2016...ENTERTAINING FLICKS.
shareI preferred James Gunn's The Suicide Squad. A much better film imo.
To each their own.
OH...ME TOO...GUNN ALWAYS NAILS IT...HIS FILM IS MUCH BETTER THAN THE 2016 FILM...HOWEVER...I STILL LIKE THE 2016 VERSION...DIABLO BEING MY FAVORITE CHARACTER.
shareHated how they tried way too hard to emulate Guardians of the Galaxy. Going as far as to make 'em a "family". Wtf?
That's not who the SS are. Ironic that the Guardians director came in & basically made an anti Guardians movie. Haha
At the time I thought that about "300"
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