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“The reality is we’re creating God.”


An interview with the Silicon Valley supergeek who believes we face an apocalyptic threat from AI

(Paywall, but I'll dig up some quotes from other sites)
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/can-this-man-save-the-world-from-artificial-intelligence-329dd6zvd?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=cc&utm_medium=branded_social


There’s no shortage of AI fearmongerers in the tech industry — Elon Musk has repeatedly warned the world about the dangers of AI someday conquering humanity, for example. But that kind of speculative outlook somewhat glosses over the real hazards and harms linked to the AI we’ve already built.

For instance, facial recognition and predictive policing algorithms have caused real harm in underserved communities. Countless algorithms out there continue to propagate and codify institutional racism across the board. Those are problems that can be solved through oversight and regulation — but you wouldn’t know that if you, like Gawdat, think of AI development as the inevitable birth of a vengeful god.

An interview with the Silicon Valley supergeek who believes we face an apocalyptic threat from AI

(Paywall, but I'll dig up some quotes from other sites)
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/can-this-man-save-the-world-from-artificial-intelligence-329dd6zvd?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=cc&utm_medium=branded_social


There’s no shortage of AI fearmongerers in the tech industry — Elon Musk has repeatedly warned the world about the dangers of AI someday conquering humanity, for example. But that kind of speculative outlook somewhat glosses over the real hazards and harms linked to the AI we’ve already built.

For instance, facial recognition and predictive policing algorithms have caused real harm in underserved communities. Countless algorithms out there continue to propagate and codify institutional racism across the board. Those are problems that can be solved through oversight and regulation — but you wouldn’t know that if you, like Gawdat, think of AI development as the inevitable birth of a vengeful god.

The Egyptian-born entrepreneur was struck by a terrifying revelation about the future of AI after witnessing an eerie moment in the firm's R&D labs.

The epiphany came after he saw AI developers collaborating with Google X on dexterous robotic arms.

After what he described as slow progress, he witnessed one day a robotic arm reach down and pick up a ball, which it then displayed to the researchers.

Even more eerily, Mr Gawdat claimed every single arm could replicate the manoeuvre and after another two days, the arms could pick up just about anything.

Speaking to The Times, he said: "And I suddenly realised, this is really scary.

"Like we had those things for a week. And they're doing what children will take two years to do.

"And then it hit me that they are children. But very, very fast children."

The key difference, he argued, is machines even at a very basic level of intelligence have the potential to learn incredibly quickly.

He added: "The reality is, we're creating God."

When Terminator 2: Judgment Day hit the silver screens in 1991, the film envisioned a dark, post-apocalyptic future in which smart machines ruled the Earth.

In the film, rogue artificial intelligence, known as Skynet, has overthrown its human masters and waged a deadly war to wipe humans off the face of the planet.

Arnold Schwarzenegger's Terminator character famously says in the film: "Three billion human lives ended on August 29, 1997.

"The survivors of the nuclear fire called the war Judgment Day.

"They lived only to face a new nightmare: the war against the machines."

Last year he claimed it would take AI less than five years to overtake humanity.

He said: "My assessment about why AI is overlooked by very smart people is that very smart people do not think a computer can ever be as smart as they are. And this is hubris and obviously false.

"We’re headed toward a situation where AI is vastly smarter than humans and I think that time frame is less than five years from now."

He has also expressed his fears about the line between AI and human consciousness becoming increasingly blurred before the end of the century.

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I agree with the last sentence. Check out "Omega Point Theory" from Dr. Frank Tipler's book The Physics of Immortality (TL;DR - Humans will eventually become immortal hybrids, and the path to creating God proceeds from there.)

The immortality claimed in the title is based on Tipler’s “beautiful postulate” that life, having once come into being, will continue for ever. Of course, all carbon-based life must eventually perish, but intelligence is expected to engineer its own successive embodiments as cosmic circumstances change. Tipler believes that the most favourable case realising this is presented by the collapse of a closed universe subject to a specific future boundary condition which, roughly speaking, requires the causal network of the universe to condense onto a single ultimate point. This is the Omega Point, which Tipler says plays the role of a “physical god” in the new-style religion.


Quote above is from this brief summary: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg14519634-400-i-am-the-alpha-and-the-omega-point/

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Thanks. I'll try and see if its available on the Z Library.

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But why is the birth of smarter AI than human considered as a bad thing?

Since I was little, I have always been fascinated by the scope of the universe. I love scifi space movies, not Star Wars, but more "realistic" space movies. The fantasy that someday we can explore the galaxies and stars and distant planets.

The more I learn about space the more I become pessimistic that human can ever go anywhere. We already knew a whole lot about the universe but it's nothing if we can never experience it. Those vast galaxies are just there waiting for us to arrive, but we would never reach them. The universe is way way way way too frickin' big for us, puny humans.

There is no way we can live long enough for the length of the journey needed to reach... well, anywhere, really. We're THAT insignificant!

Our only hope is AI that's smarter than us. The options are that or trapped forever and inevitably perish on Earth.

Yes, it would probably mean the end of humanity as we know it. But why be afraid of change? We've evolved before. Today, nobody misses the time when we were Neanderthals. Homo Sapiens were simply smarter, so tough luck, Neandies!

It's not like AI would replace us. It is us that will become AI to continue our journey. Just as we were single-cell microbes millions years ago.

It's like having a child. A parent would be 100% ready to die if it means the child can live on. It has always been this way.

"My assessment about why AI is overlooked by very smart people is that very smart people do not think a computer can ever be as smart as they are." I don't agree. My assessment is that very smart people are not afraid of humanity evolving into AI. They've realised that it's the only way forward.

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Those vast galaxies are just there waiting for us to arrive, but we would never reach them


ACTUALLY we're going to COLLIDE with the ANDROMEDA GALAXY at which time our 2 GALAXIES will also MERGE and CHANGE SHAPE to become an entirely different GALAXY.

Merger of the Milky Way With the Andromeda Galaxy A "close to home" example of a large galaxy merger is the one that will occur between the Andromeda galaxy with our very own Milky Way. The result, which will take millions of years to unfold, will be a new galaxy. Currently, Andromeda is about 2.5 million light-years away from the Milky Way.

Large-galaxy collisions do occur, which create huge new galaxies in the process. Often what happens is that two large spiral galaxies will merge, and due to the gravitational warping that precedes the collision, the galaxies will lose their spiral structure. Once the galaxies are merged, astronomers suspect that they form a new structure known as an elliptical galaxy. Occasionally, depending on the relative sizes of the merging galaxies, an irregular or peculiar galaxy is a result of the merger.



Interacting Galaxies - Galaxy Mergers and Collisions

www.thoughtco.com/interacting-galaxies-have-interesting-results-3072045

If we haven't been GOBBLED UP by our SUN when it turns into a RED GIANT, this merger could also result in our SOLAR SYSTEM being broken apart and with EARTH being FLUNG out into SPACE where it would become a ROAMING ROGUE planet.

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I haven't seen too many.. I like Kubrick, but didn't like 2001... I do remember a movie with Gregory Peck entitled, "Marooned".

Did you ever see "Things To Come"? Written by H.G. Wells, commissioned by G.B. Shaw.

Progressive scientists who outlaw war. But, they have their critics, too. The children. Why can't we be happy? We're hermetically sealed from the atmosphere, why do we have to go to the stars? Why can't we just lead our lives and not get involved, as the children go to Mars.

"If we are no more than animals, we must snatch each scrap of happiness.. Mattering no more than the other animals.. All the universe or nothing!"


Quite different than LBJ moving the space center from Cape Kennedy in Florida to Houston because it's closer to the moon :)

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Have you seen the SHORT TREK called "CALYPSO" where the AI in the ship rescues a soldier and then holds him HOSTAGE (the same way as the other CALYPSO character held the other character hostage in the ANCIENT GREEK STORY by HOMER called "THE ODYSSEY")???

Calypso (mythology) - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calypso_(mythology)

In Greek mythology, Calypso was a nymph who lived on the island of Ogygia, where, according to Homer's Odyssey, she detained Odysseus for seven years.


Odysseus was also a soldier who was on his way home from the TROJAN WAR ( Like the other guy in the SHORT TREK story is also on his way home from another WAR).

Anyhow, the AI also finally sets FREE this other soldier from the FUTURE TIME so that he can also go home again.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=star+trek+calypso+episode&docid=608009082541773693&mid=3A3916F0B5697047C3393A3916F0B5697047C339&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

What's interesting is how the CREW of the ship JUMPED 900 YEARS into the FUTURE as a way to protect the KNOWLEDGE that they'd gotten from another ALIEN SOURCE (that another race of beings was also trying to steal from them).

And in the SHORT TREK STORY (about 15 min long), the SHIP's AI (named Zora) also tells the guy that she rescues how she's been sitting there all alone for 1,000 YEARS.

So naturally one also wonders WHY the CREW would have abandoned the SHIP, which may also have something to do with the AI taking over control of it???

Because having the AI CONTROL of the ship probably also means having one's life CONTROLLED by the AI in it???

The capsule that the soldier is rescued in also had a VIDEO LIBRARY that contained BETTY BOOP CARTOONS from the 1900's that they had there inside of the FUTURE TIME (which was at least 2000 or more years since the time when those cartoons were made).

Wouldn't that also be TRIPPY to be able to watch films that were created by people who lived 2000 years ago???

Oh well. At least we still have copies of the TRIPPY kinds of stories (like "The ODYSSEY)" that they use to tell.

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I've actually never seen any of them, and gave up hope in Sci-fi -- I seem to have a better imagination than the movies I've seen and would rather imagine than watch another sci-fi movie.

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CALYPSO isn't a MOVIE. IT's a SHORT 15 min VIDEO.

And it's also based upon the ANCIENT GREEK STORY by HOMER where it takes a TROJAN WARRIOR 10 YEARS before he gets back home again, because he keeps having lots of ADVENTURES along the way (like his men getting EATEN by that GIANT CYCLOPS that only had ONE EYE).

Also try to remember how his SHIP was loaded down with lots of LOOT from having TRICKED TROY with that GIANT WOODED HORSE, so that would also have been a TEMPTATION for others who would try to TRICK them out of that LOOT that they had on the ship.

Anyhow, the SCI FI story is also based upon an ANCIENT GREEK STORY called THE ODYSSEY (which is also the same name that KUBRICK chose for the name of his now FAMOUS 2001 FILM which also had a MISBEHAVING AI in it called HAL 9000).



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"There is no way we can live long enough for the length of the journey needed to reach... well, anywhere, really. We're THAT insignificant!"

Not true, we just need to find a way to travel at speeds very close to the speed of light. Due to the effect of time dilation, the trip to a distant point would be much quicker as measured by the traveller. For example, Alpha Centauri (4.37 light years from Earth) could be reached in 71 days if the traveller were moving at 99.9% of the speed of light. (This does not include the acceleration or deceleration time, so the numbers would have to be adjusted for that.)

https://www.emc2-explained.info/Dilation-Calc/

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Isn't the MASS of an object that would travel that fast also suppose to INCREASE in size???

https://futurism.com/physical-concequences-of-light-speed-travel

Physical Consequences of Light-speed Travel:

the physical consequence of traveling at the speed of light is that your mass becomes infinite and you slow down. According to relativity, the faster you move, the more mass you have. The same works on Earth when you’re driving down the freeway. You weigh a tiny bit more driving around than you do when you’re completely at rest.

So, traveling at the speed of light in the conventional way is impossible. Fortunately, nature offers us a few ways of cheating. These methods include wormholes and traveling at warp speed, among others.


We'd probably be better off if we could find a WORMHOLE as a way to take a SHORTCUT through the FABRIC of SPACE/TIME as a way to get to our destination.

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The "infinite mass" scenario is a common misconception, and one I've heard many times. Here is the clearest explanation I could find:

https://www.wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/2013/06/18/can-you-go-fast-enough-to-get-enough-mass-to-become-a-black-hole/

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But what about COSMIC INFLATION that also indicates the UNIVERSE had to EXPAND at some point FASTER than the SPEED of LIGHT in order to achieve the kind of EVEN TEMPERATURE distribution that the WMAP demonstrates we have now???

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Have you taken into account of the sheer distance? Quoted from NASA: "The closest known galaxy to us is the Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy, at 236,000,000,000,000,000 km (25,000 light years) from the Sun. The Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical Galaxy is the next closest , at 662,000,000,000,000,000 km (70,000 light years) from the Sun."

Twenty-five THOUSAND years it would take at the speed of light. Still not faster enough for us, let alone a mere "very close to the speed of light." For the passengers, it would feel like it takes more than one thousand years at 99.9% the speed of light. Imagine 1,000 years in a spaceship. And that's only to visit the nearest galaxy, while we have billions upon billions of other galaxies much, much further away.

Faster than light travel is impossible (at least for biological/physical beings.) That leaves us the only one option left: immortality. That's also basically impossible for humans, but not for AI. So, AI that's smarter than us is our only chance.

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The time dilation effect increases as your speed increases. Slam that gas pedal until you reach 99.9999999999% of lightspeed and you'll be at Canis Major in a mere 9 days.

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Next stop, galaxy GN-z11 at 13.4 billion light-years.

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Since The LHC discovered the theory about MATTER and ANTI MATTER isn't so anymore, that might also mean you can't STOP at the 13.4 BILLION point anymore.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1446811/antimatter-cern-charm-mesons-antimatter-oscillations-large-hadron-collider-evg

Antimatter breakthrough at CERN: UK scientists unveil 'impressive' subatomic find at LHC

SCIENTISTS at the world's biggest particle accelerator, the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), have proven for the first time a subatomic particle can change into antimatter and back again.



PLUS weren't GRAVITY, the WEAK and STRONG FORCES, etc. also all combined together into the SAME FORCE back then???

So how can you STOP in a place like that where the 4 FORCES weren't SEPARATED yet???

https://www.clearias.com/four-fundamental-forces-of-nature/

Electroweak Theory and Grand Unification Theories (GUT)

There is speculation, that In the very early Universe when temperatures were very high (the Planck Scale) all four forces were unified into a single force. Then, as the temperature dropped, gravitation separated first and then the other 3 forces separated. Even then, the weak, electromagnetic, and strong forces were unified into a single force. When the temperature dropped these forces got separated from each other, with the strong force separating first and then at a still lower temperature the electromagnetic and weak forces separating to leave us with the 4 distinct forces that we see in our present Universe. The process of the forces separating from each other is called spontaneous symmetry breaking.

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AI struggles with the nuances of English. Take Siri for example, she fails so many times. She doesnt understand context, or tone of voice etc etc. Humans are vastly more intelligent than a computer is in this respect.

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"Arnold Schwarzenegger's Terminator character famously says in the film: "Three billion human lives ended on August 29, 1997"
Actually in that film, T2: Judgment Day, it was Linda Hamilton's "Sarah Connor" character who says it/narrates it at the start of the film.

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How's the day been???

Have you been having a NICE BIRTHDAY today???

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Don't fear AI. It can replace politicians!

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I thought politicians were satanic and already robotic

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No. That's Zuckerberg.

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lol

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Here's a very funny video that reveals how the wife of the former POTUS was one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6NqscIsidQ

Tracey Ullman - Melania Trump Robot

And another:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmuR2XFxkdU&t=3s

The Russians need to reprogramme Melania Trump! - BBC

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