The Future Is Vegan
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The future already is vegan. Nobody in the third world is doing it, while it's mainstream in the West.
Have you ever known any aspect of human existence to become more natural rather than more artificial over time? Look to an advanced country like Sweden. About a third are vegan. The only reason to give any pause is that another third are going in the opposite direction and eating mostly meat, or even meat only. Put a meat tax on them and eliminate it. We'll have no choice.
The future is obese.
Stop resenting obese people for not being vegan. Seriously, thin people aren't vegan either. I'm naturally really skinny to the point where people are rude about my weight and accuse me of being anorexic. I used to eat a whole box of dominoes pepperoni pizza by myself and literally (quite literally) had mcdonald's everyday. I never exercised and still remained stick thin.
My best friend would eat really healthy and be active in sports in high school and still be extremely large, like take up a lot of space in the car large. If you look at pictures of her when she was a baby, she was a giant baby. Her parents fed her normal meals. She never ate mcdonalds or anything, she would actively avoid fast food.
She eventually lost tons of weight as an adult by getting a trainer at the gym and exercising a lot more even though she was already pretty active before. She needed to do something different because for her eating salads (which, yes she did eat salads) wasn't enough to lose weight. She's slim now and she eats normal meals AND she eats french fries, Doritos, wine and chocolate, she just doesn't overindulge. A lot of fake people that would have been rude to her before she got slim pay her a lot of attention now.
Huh? I was associating the two together. The future is vegan, and the future is also obese.
The top three most consumed foods by calories are wheat flour, corn syrup, and soybean oil, in that order. The rise of vegan foods tracks well with the rise of western diseases including obesity. Plant proteins such as gluten from wheat flour are often the plant's form of defense mechanism, and disruptive to gut lining or bacteria. Plant oils like polyunsaturated omega 6 in soybean oil are highly inflammatory and oxidize easily making them entirely unsuitable for cooking. Plants also tend to be carbohydrate laden and desensitize the body to insulin. This is how we bulk up, if we're bodybuilders, or cows in a feedlot. The micronutrient situation isn't any better. We always hear about vitamin B-12, but even something as common as vitamin A isn't found in plants. Carrots have Beta Carotene, a precursor. Two thirds of people don't convert it well or barely at all. The conversion of AHA to DHA is near zero in most men. Other animals are very good at making these conversions. That's why we eat them. We let them do the work our bodies can't do, making the nutrition bioavailable for us by being higher up on the food chain.
We're becoming estrogen dominant soy boys because this diet is being promoted by all the large corporations that make money from this highly processed junk food.
But heart disease is associated with a predominantly meat-based diet. And when was the last time you saw a fat vegan?
shareThe nation’s top nutrition advisory panel has decided to drop its caution about eating cholesterol-laden food, a move that could undo almost 40 years of government warnings about its consumption.
The reason we think meat is associated with heart disease is because of a study called The Seven Country Study from more than half a century ago. They found a correlation between saturated fat and heart disease. But it turns out they actually looked at 21 countries and cherrypicked down to 7. The other countries showed an inverse relationship. The purpose was mainly to take the blame off sugar. Heart disease didn't even become epidemic until after we started taking their advice.
Scientists use similar tactics all the time. It's the same story with circumcision. Foreskin has been associated with AIDS and cancer and everything else under the sun. Each time one is disproven, another reason comes around to show how scrientists were actually right all along. They're invested in it, so if major guidelines ever do get reversed, it's done very quietly. share
Also, I just wanted to add this info just in case it helps anyone...there's a lot of young girls on Instagram that make a really big effort to constantly post about Veganism, but it's NOT because they have sympathy for animals. For some of these girls, their posting about their dedication to Veganism is actually an extension of their eating disorder or something they use to hide or mask their eating disorder. They feel if they post a picture of themselves at an exotic location with a green smoothie and claim they've never eaten nuggets, that other people will view them as a pure person with a pure body or as a person with strongest will power. I'm NOT saying most vegans even have this problem (most don't), but it's something to watch out for and be aware of.
Part of the symptoms of eating disorders is that the person with disordered thinking sometimes feels other people are stupid and weak for eating any food while viewing their own anorexia as "superior discipline." Not all people with eating disorders fit this profile. However, there are genuinely anorexic or bulimic girls (especially the generation that grew up worshipping Instagram or youtube influencers when they were 11 or 12 but are now 18 or 21) that have this problem.
Ariana Grande most likely has this problem. She's not naturally thin, she starves herself. She used to post about Veganism but still wore leather shoes or handbags lol. If you look at pictures of her from her Nickelodeon days in 2009, she was a healthy weight before. She looked like a completely different person, not this Lolita character. She used to look her age, and used to have boobs and legs. One of her co-stars made a parody video of her on YouTube where she bragged about being vegan while being afraid to eat a grape because she thought she might gain weight. The co-star also pointed out she still wore leather handbags.
I'm an ethical vegan. I don't consume meat or dairy, but neither do I wear leather or wool, let alone fur. I can't say I'm a 100% perfect vegan. I still eat fruit/drink fruit juice, even though much of it contains shellac, and I'm sure plenty of organisms inadvertently die as consequence of my lifestyle (i.e. in the transport of goods), but I don't consciously commit acts that depend on the death or exploitation of animals.
Although I care about my health, and that is another reason for living a vegan lifestyle, my main reasons relate to animal welfare and the impact of livestock farming on global warming. Also, the truth is that if I were exclusively concerned with my health, and not the ethnical aspects of veganism, I would probably live a so-called flexitarian diet that was low on meat, fish and dairy, but one that did not entirely exclude those groups. I believe I am fairly fit and healthy. My BMI is in the normal range (in fact, I wouldn't mind losing a few more pounds, which would still leave me within the normal BMI range) and I exercise regularly, but I also suspect that it is much easier to maintain a healthy body with some meat, fish and dairy, rather than a pure vegan or even vegetarian diet.
Obviously the end goal for most ethnical vegans, like myself, is a society that cuts out meat and dairy altogether however, like you I am also extremely concerned about performative veganism and general eating disorders, especially among young women, particularly teenage girls, and so I would prefer to see a girl or young woman in danger of developing an eating disorder, eat meat, fish and dairy, if necessary, than become anorexic (not that, I stress, veganism need lead to an eating disorder and an emaciated physique - it certainly doesn't in my case). Like you I hate seeing anyone, and it's mainly younger women, become dangerously thin contrary to their natural body shape, and if Grande is still wearing leather, I doubt she is a vegan for the right reasons.
I went vegan for 8 months because of a health issues. Honestly, it wasn't bad, I actually enjoyed it, but I had trouble getting all my calories. Sometimes I found myself eating when I wasn't hungry just to get my daily requirements. I also worry about the long term effects. I see people who have been vegan for over a decade and they just don't look healthy. Plus, you have to supplement with B12, which doesn't seem natural. In my opinion, the healthiest diet in Pescatarian, which I did for 3.5 years. I ate mostly vegetables, grains, tubers and wild fish.
I don't think its possible to tell people they can't eat meat. They simply won't have it. Look at Bhutan as an example. It's illegal to slaughter meat in their country, so its all imported and they are actually the highest consumer of meat per capita in South Asia. Some of the religious figures are calling for sanctions on the importation, sale and consumption of meat on religious grounds, which is ridiculous, since many of the countries Monks eat it and even Buddah himself ate meat.
With that said, I'm all for lab grown meat if scientists can figure it out. The factory farming issue truly makes me sick, even though I'm guilty of buying it. I simply cannot afford to solely purchase meat from small forms. It's unfortunate, but a lot of people are in the same shoes.
I'm well on my way. I'm vegetarian except for chicken now and then. My appetite is rather low anyway, so two light meals a day works for me. Grains in the morning topped with strawberries and blue berries and milk. Love burritos or salads for dinner.
shareTry topping the your grains/berries with homemade coconut milk. It's a pain in the ass to make, but worth it.
shareIf this happens the day after I jump off the planet I have no problem👍
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