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I never see a "modern" movie that actually talks about the current IMPORTANT issues (not trendy baloney)... I think many movies are so many years behind -- waiting for OTHERS to take the chances.

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What do you consider the important current issues that movies should cover?

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What do you think are the important issues?

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When I say "cover" I don't mean just throwing a reference... I'm talking about covering it well, with great writing, and great acting if possible. "The Battle of Algiers" covers war, freedom, terrorism, poverty, racism VERY well...

There are a few links of, and I pasted the correct one... "They Shoot Horses, Don't They?" covers exploitation and the system very, very well.

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The Battle of Algiers was, unfortunately, almost a one-of-a-kind thing. There aren't many Western (North American, West European) movies like that which cover issues like that in an honest and objective manner. I could probably count the number of Western movies like that on one hand. One movie I do love that's kind of like that is "The Quiet American" (2002).

Now I'm even more interested in seeing "They Shoot Horses, Don't They?". I've always heard it's a good movie, but I never knew what it's about.

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Honestly, I don't trust Hollywood to handle anything I consider an important issue. Things I consider important are the ongoing and terrifying rise of fascism and general right-wing politics in the world, the various wars currently taking place, the crises of poverty and unemployment and low wages, inaccessibility of healthcare, student debt, etc. I can't see Hollywood handling most of these issues very well. Especially relating to war, which Hollywood usually just shamelessly glorifies.

The reason I asked you, though, is because you brought this up and I was just curious what you think they should cover. I thought movies do cover a lot of present-day issues. Whether they do a good job with it, though, is another matter.

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I agree, those are important issues... Besides "I, Daniel Blake" which was very good (not great, especially for Ken Loach), did cover technological dehumanization... Automation is another topic that has had SO much change, but is never covered.

You mention right-wing politics, but I would go the other way...Where in the hell are all the liberals? They certainly aren't in Hollywood! I'm from the US, and we basically have a fascist party, and fascist lite that throw in a lot of slogans and stock votes just to say "See, now shut up and go back to work"

Btw, it doesn't have to be Hollywood -- I love watching movies from ANY country.

And to your earlier post, I agree most movies suck, but hopefully with the experts in here, we can check out maybe a great movie that didn't get much attention -- perhaps for being too truthful!

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Oh, I watch a lot of international movies too. I mentioned Hollywood because most people here are Americans and Hollywood tends to get the most attention. But yeah, "The Battle of Algiers" for example was an Italian-Algerian production.

One movie Ken Loach made that I really, really love is "The Wind That Shakes the Barley". I'd go so far as to say it's one of the best movies I've ever seen.

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“the ongoing and terrifying rise of fascism“

Oh, of course you’re referring to the new “brown shirts” Antifa.

“The crisis of poverty and unemployment and low wages”

Surely you aren’t referring to the US as we are having a booming economy. People who had given up and dropped out of the work force under Obama are now back working. For the first time in years people aren’t fearful to quit their current job to go to another or to start their own businesses. Been to Florida lately? Every blade of grass is being turned over to build new housing developments. Houses can’t be built fast enough! It’s darn near impossible to get someone to do repairs....as they are too busy building. BTW, unemployment is at 3.7%.

“Inaccessibility of healthcare, student debt, etc.

Anyone can get healthcare. There are free clinics popping up everywhere and of course the ER. Just ask the illegals...they get all the care they need. As far as student debt...government got involved and costs skyrocketed, but there is a solution. College bound kids don’t need to go to the most expensive universities....there are many small universities (more cost effective) where a student can receive a top notch degree. I have a friend who works for a local guy (now a millionare) who got his degree via an online university.

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Are you aware that everyone in Hollywood as well as every multinational corporation, bank, and defense contractor all united around social justice candidate Hillary Clinton for president, in the most expensive campaign in world History?

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Tougher to tackle anything but the biggest, broadest current events, since it takes several years to get from script to screen.

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Several years? I see how a director like Fassbinder was making 4 movies a year.

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Concurrent projects are very possible for a hardworking director (Ridley Scott and Spielberg have both done it many times), and they can still take years. The production timelines simply overlap.

It also depends on how much production work is involved. Sets and costumes and art design and special effects will all add more time to a production timeline.

An extremely simple single-camera movie shot on location, with natural lighting, readily available professional actors, no effects needed, and licensed music... That could be shot in a month or two, and edited in three to four months.

Obviously, the average movie was simpler thing, a less involved project, in Fassbinder's time than it is now in mainstream "Hollywood."

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Hollyweird is always decades behind what is really happening in society. So that is one reason.

Secondly, with all of the Political Correctness etc it would be virtually impossible to make a film that is balanced and interesting let alone tackle an important issue (or any issue) properly. They can't even make a film set in medieval England without throwing in non white characters for example. They have restrained themselves so much that it has become stupid. I noticed in the recent Charmed reboot that the daughters are played by actresses from 3 different racial backgrounds.

A great film topic would be a career politician being defeated in the race for President by a reality TV star/business mogul with no political experience at all for example. You might see a film like that in 20 years if you are lucky!

Or how about the gang rape of 1200 white girls in England, and the authorities know and do nothing for over a decade because they are scared of being called racists!

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If someone can't make a movie of their vision without throwing tokens, they don't deserve to make movies.

Orson Welles never directed a movie in his life, and even at 25, he wouldn't budge, and this wasn't some silly baloney movie from the last 40 years which has no teeth... Orson Welles attacked the most powerful man in the US and say some the world. That's guts.

Orson also proved an excellent point with his "War of the Worlds" play just to show how influential radio was, and how someone could say ANYTHING and people could believe it... Gosh, I wish he had lived around to critique this internet and phone hysteria. It's perfect for someone like me, but not important enough to have the internet on my phone. The moment I leave my house, I'm 100% disconnected from the internet.

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I'm old enough to remember life without mobile phones and the internet. It seems amazing now but back then if you were out than you really were out! People just accepted it and in some ways it was much better. Now no matter where you are, you are contactable. Sure, it also means if you get into trouble somewhere you had to go looking for a public phone but freedom comes with a price.

"Guts" that is another part of the problem. People don't rebel anymore. The Left think of themselves as rebels but they aren't. They are simply "Useful Idiots" who do exactly what they are told and get rewarded with pats on the head and being called things like "Progressive".

Creativity to a large extent, at least in Hollyweird is also dead. People can't think metaphorically anymore, everything has been dumbed down and that is because the Left want dumb people.

All in all, you won't get good let alone great films when they are being made by non creative, dumb, lemmings.

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Me too... That's why I'm hoping someone can mention movies that ARE great. Another reason I stick with the 30-70s - I'm going with the probability.

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I pretty much only watch older films as well.

1/ B&W makes everything look other worldly and so beautiful.
2/ The women were actually feminine and enchanting.
3/ The men were men and unashamed about it.
4/ Even an average older film is still light years ahead of a "Blockbuster" movie from our time.
5/ Storyline! Interesting characters! No PC agenda pushing!

Getting back to your original post. Notice how Hitler and NAZI's are still common themes in films today? Anyone would think they are still around and some kind of threat! So many more interesting themes out there and more current as well.

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Well said!

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You don't see films these days explore stories about people building things out of their own poop. Take the upcoming movie Welcome to Marwen, for instance. How much more inspiring would the story be if it had Steve Carrel building intricate dioramas out of his own poop. This is a truly neglected topic.

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that's a good thing.

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Me!

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my issue is not so much the issues film overlooks, but the generally unimaginative, cliched and often just plain wrong ways they tend to present issues that i think are important.

for example, there's a film that was just shot in my town that is apparently taking on the topic of a saskatchewan farmer who 'bravely' took on major corporations. the truth of that story is very different, and i fully expect the film will show the standard hollywood balderdash: corporate monsters out to destroy a little farmer out of greed.

and i simply detest the way all forms of business & economic interaction are caricatured in film, where private businesses are almost always presented as enemies of the poor. the truth is the exact opposite of that: the places in the world where people are best off are those where they are free to pursue their own interest, and their countries are open to competition and trade.

we live in a golden age. there have never been so many people who've escaped the grinding, miserable poverty that was the default setting for every single human until a few hundred years ago, but this economic miracle is never represented in film. that is an area where they ought to do much better.

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Maybe in Canada -- we have 50,000,000 in poverty in the US.. AND you guys have health care, a tiny fraction of our crime. You don't pay trillions for illegal wars, or start prison businesses (we're #1, we're #1!)

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