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Fictional characters you have mixed emotions about?


I read,"The Girlfriend," by R.L. Stine and the main protagonist Scotty is a popular football player who has a beautiful, smart, popular, nice, loving, longtime girlfriend named Lori. She goes to Europe for a weekend with her parents and Scotty meets a hot girl named Shannon.He has a one weekend stand with Shannon while Lori is in Europe and when Lori returns, Scotty tells Shannon to F off.

Shannon becomes OBSESSED with Scotty, stalked him around, broke his hand, killed his pet, blew up his car, showed up uninvited to Lori's parents' formal function event, was carried out by security while screaming madly that she loved him, and tried to hurt Lori. I thought,"Scotty is a douchebag to cheat on his loving, nice, beautiful, popular, smart, longtime girlfriend! But it's effed up that his one weekend stand fling became obsessed with him and did a bunch of crazy stuff to him! I felt he was a douchebag for cheating on his girlfriend but felt so bad for him for the crazy stuff his one weekend stand did to him. I really do have mixed emotions for Scotty!

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Well,over the years i started to like Alice and on some point i was happy for her when she finally got the life she never had.

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Estella in Dickens' book Great Expectations is a character I had many mixed feelings about. Not to spoil it in case anyone would like to read it, but she is pretty cruel. I don't really want to give away details about the extenuating circumstances.

The book you describe reminds me of the film Fatal Attraction. Yes, the protagonist should not have had an affair. He was a jerk. But he sure did not deserve what his jilted lover did in retaliation.

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Estella was horrible to Pip! She was tremendously selfish but she was manipulated into behaving that way by Mrs. Havisham, so, in a way, she was a victim too. Good choice!

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When I first read it in high school at fourteen, I hated Estella. But, rereading it as an adult, I felt so sorry for her. She was the tool used by Miss Havisham to get her revenge upon men. She was never taught how to love, and by the time she wanted to change, it was too late.

I hated Miss Havisham, too at fourteen, but felt pity for her as an adult reader. That's one of the things I love about Dickens, even his villains are sympathetic.

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So true. Even the villains get sympathy. Joe was always my favorite in Great Expectations. He was so humble and good.

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Joe Gargery,was a wonderful character,totally incorruptible. A very admirable quality.


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I loved Joe, as well. The episode when Joe goes to visit Pip in his lodgings is so heartbreaking and well written. Pip is embarrassed of Joe's gauche manners in front of Herbert, yet it pains him to be embarrassed. Dickens is nonpareil when it comes to characters, in my opinion. I felt awful for Pip and angry at him at the same time in this part of the story. I would have loved to meet Dickens.

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I remember watching Swimfan 2001 and thinking,"My The Swimfan movie is very similar to The Girlfriend book!" I posted this thought on a message board and another poster wrote,"I thought of "The Girlfriend" book too when I watched Swimfan." Another poster answered,"Really? Fatal Attraction movie is what I thought of when I read The Girlfriend book."

It would make sense that The Girlfriend is like the book version of Fatal Attraction as TG came out just about 4 years after FA. SF came out 10 years after TG. Though SF and TG have more in common as they both are high school based and both sports bssed(Scotty being a football player and Swimfan main character being well, a swimer)whereas FA characters are obviously adults in their 40's/50's and the main character is a businessman.

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There are probably a few films and books with the revenge of the jilted lover as a motif. Posessed starring Joan Crawford is a good one, if you like old films.

I haven't seen Swimfan or The Girlfriend, but I would think that films with older characters as the jilted lovers might seem more disturbing. Older people are supposed to be level headed, so when they go off the deep end, it is more shocking than a hormonal teenager doing the same.

My opinion, for what it's worth.

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Sigh... HEATHCLIFF!! 😢😢😢😢

'nuf said....

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I love Heathcliff and have no mixed feelings about him. This probably makes me a horrible person, lol.

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Well... I feel you. I love him too. And I know abuse can turn people into really horrible beings. It's just that his cruelty can be epic at times. I'm not too fond of him in those times.

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I guess I love his single minded passion for Cathy, that epic kind of love. He was pretty horrible and cruel to so many people. Vengeful, it is a shame. I think the worst thing he did was be cruel to Hareton, who longed to worship him. He was an innocent.

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He did fancy his half-sister Cathy and so it doesn't take much to stretch that as some sort of narcissism with himself he sees in her.

I think Cathy half knew it and that's why she loved him, as a brother, but knew his soul would forever be tortured as she could not requite his love the way he wanted as god would send her to hell. That's what drove her bonkers I reckon.

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WHAT? They are not related. Heathcliff is a gypsy child. Oh, I suppose people could say he must have belonged to Mr. Earnshaw, but I think he was purely an almost other worldly being. They did grow up together, this is true. They absolutely saw themselves in each other.

Cathy ONLY loved Heathcliff. She was madly in love with him. She wouldn't have even married Edgar at all if Heathcliff hadn't run away before hearing the rest of her confession to Nellie Dean. She says her love for Edgar is like foliage, it will weather and fade- but her love for Heathcliff is like the rocks- never ending. Then she says "I AM HEATHCLIFF". She was just as nuts as he was, that's what makes the book so outstanding.

She tells him later when he comes to the Grange that their separation would not have happened if he had not left.

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I know they weren't "blood" relatives but it did always feel like a bit of an incestuous relationship. It sort of added to the forbidden nature of their love, I felt.

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Yes, they were definitely "the same", almost like one person. I didn't feel like their love was forbidden, except because of the disparity in their social classes. After Heathcliff makes his fortune, he is able to marry Isabella, no problem (although they elope, his station was now above being prosecuted). Cathy's downfall was in materialism, I felt, rather than trusting her heart. She wanted the good life at The Grange AND wanted Heathcliff at the same time. I felt like she would have been satisfied married to Edgar with Heathcliff as lover. This is all my own interpretation, of course- probably way off base.

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It's all in the interpretation and I can easily see this as being about Cathy somehow knowing, at a biological level, that Heathcliff and her weren't compatible for procreation of healthy children. This elusive carnal knowledge manifests itself into a taboo and thus becomes more attractive to her sending Heathcliff ever more mixed signals which, along with his heavily demoted class status since the death or Mr Earnshaw, drives him away to earn his fortunes and become more powerful than anyone from that region.

Hindley knew too, that's why he makes it so hard for Heathcliff, he hates him as he sees himself in Heathcliff just as Heathcliff sees himself in Cathy.

It might not be a common interpretation but that's the way I've always liked it, seems like Eastenders to me otherwise.

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I guess we all have our own interpretations, I have my own as well. The flaw in yours is that Cathy WOULD have definitely gone off with Heathcliff in an instant.
This is from chapter 9
'I think that's the worst motive you've given yet for being the wife of young Linton.'

'It is not,' retorted she; 'it is the best! The others were the satisfaction of my whims: and for Edgar's sake, too, to satisfy him. This is for the sake of one who comprehends in his person my feelings to Edgar and myself. I cannot express it; but surely you and everybody have a notion that there is or should be an existence of yours beyond you. What were the use of my creation, if I were entirely contained here? My great miseries in this world have been Heathcliff's miseries, and I watched and felt each from the beginning: my great thought in living is himself. If all else perished, and he remained, I should still continue to be; and if all else remained, and he were annihilated, the universe would turn to a mighty stranger: I should not seem a part of it.—My love for Linton is like the foliage in the woods: time will change it, I'm well aware, as winter changes the trees. My love for Heathcliff resembles the eternal rocks beneath: a source of little visible delight, but necessary. Nelly, I am Heathcliff! He's always, always in my mind: not as a pleasure, any more than I am always a pleasure to myself, but as my own being. So don't talk of our separation again: it is impracticable; and—'.

Heathcliff overhears the conversation from the other room, but he leaves before he hears her say she IS Heathcliff and can never leave him. It's a big turning point in the book. All Heathcliff hears Cathy say is "it would degrade me to marry Heathcliff, now" and he leaves to make his fortune. He wants to become a man it would not degrade her to marry.

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They are "adoptive" siblings. Mr Earnshaw found Heathcliff on the streets of Liverpool and brought him home to live with him and his family.

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I'm well aware of the story April, I just think bringing kids home is highly suspicious to my mind. Isn't it possible that Mr Earnshaw had a bit on the side up in the big smoke and she came a cropper and he was left holding onto a toddler he didn't know anything about?

Occam's razor and all.

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Yeah it's possible. But things like that are usually established/mentioned in stories. If that was true, it would have been stated as such. Such as an overheard conversation by Nelly that Mr Earnshaw was having with somebody where he admits it's his child etc. But such a scene never happens in the story.

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I think Emily Bronte is much smarter than that. I mean if you look at how she, and her sisters, got published and the various methods used to slide past the class system and yet still stick it to them at the time whilst riding on the fumes of success from Jane Austen's breakout just a few decades earlier - it's no mean feat.

I think subtly and nuance was a much stronger currency back then and leaving it to the eyes of the pious to see what they wanted to see for fear of having a mind capable of corrupt thought was the way to show that beast that things were changing on the landscape for women.

The Suffragettes movement started up not long after and they had people who were well regarded in society throwing themselves to death in front of horses and chaining themselves to important buildings.

Maybe I read too much into these things but that's the way I am sometimes. Even if I'm wrong 99% of the time that 1% might be gold.

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Whoops, I had to scroll down and skip over several of these and I suddenly realized we are talking about Wuthering Heights and it just so happens that I am right smack in the middle of reading this novel right now. I'm only about 30-40 pages in so I'm still getting the hang of the overall plot. Apparently there may be characters I feel torn about moving forward, similar to the way we feel about Estelle from Great Expectations. Maybe I'll check this thread out again in one week to see if I can chime in on the characters from this novel.

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PLEASE don't read our comments, then. They're full of spoilers. I hope you enjoy it- it's an emotionally churning sort of book. If you have read Jane Eyre, they are similar. But Jane Eyre is like a thunderstorm while Wuthering Heights is like a hurricane.

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Yes, I have read Jane Eyre. I really enjoyed it. I'm at the very beginning of Wuthering Heights as Mr Lockwood has visited that abode and been caught in a deep snow and is staying overnight. He's just had a nightmare involving Catherine Linton and screamed out and woke Mr. Heathcliff. I'm still getting a feel of who the characters are at this point. I'm only about 30 pages in.

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Since you liked Jane Eyre, I believe you are in for a treat. I remember the first time I read it and the effect it had on me. It shattered me, emotionally. I was thirteen at the time, which may have partially accounted for its effect.

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Oh my God, Heathcliff! Perfect example! I love/hate Heathcliff too. His backstory is so sad yet he is such a jerk at times. It's such a romantic story.

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Yes, parts of it are romantic. And the tragedy of it can seem romantic. But that story is first and foremost about hatred, vengeance, and abuse.

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Great book but apart from the narrator not one likeable character in it.

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Well, I think Mr. Earnshaw is a fairly benevolent character. He's not perfect. But it takes a very loving man to take in a homeless child.

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What about Hareton? Edgar? They're both likeable characters.

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Snape, Snape, Severus Snape


And half the characters in Game of Thrones. XD

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I honestly,honestly,cried real tears over Snape.
His story is so tragic.

When Harry gives his son the name Severus as one of his names it floored me.

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He does indeed have a tragic backstory, and I certainly felt bad for him at times... but for most of the series, he was still a jerk, to put it lightly.

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He was,but throughout there was a seam of him always doing the right thing(even though he hated Harry because his father was a bully)all because he loved Lily.He was extremely loyal to Dumbledore who completely trusted him too.

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I know. That's why I have mixed feelings about him. He's a grey character: some good, some bad.

Still, he shouldn't have taken out his hatred of James on Harry. And his detention sessions were rather cruel.

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Daffy Duck, he's a mean ol Duck, but I kinda like him, I think, I dunno, maybe.
I'm just having mixed emotions about him, sometimes, not every day.
Dumb Duck

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