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Religious people - why did you kill jesus?

posted 13 days ago by moviechatterer (13396)
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I realise this might rub a few people the wrong way so i will have to exercise my "free speech" right that the others saying unsavoury opinions here use , and if you are likely to interpret anybody badmouthing religion as blasphemy and become upset , please stop reading now.
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I'm not really familiar with which faction did it , or even believes in jesus

But for those that were involved
Why have I never heard any remorse or apology?

God sends mankind his son to help show the way and what happens?
They torture him to death.
Thats is horrific.

Dont you think that murdering gods son might piss him off ??
Is it worth carrying on debating if you go up or down when you die ?

surely after an act of barbarism like that all of mankind is going to hell
dont forget gods got a bit of a temper is is prone to sending plagues and flooding the entire planet .

actually was there one of these after the crucifixion ?

How did we arrive at this "He died for our sins" thing?
is that some kind of justification ? or explanation ?

[–] B1cKsurN (14861) 13 days ago

Christ is King.

[–] BKB (6168) 13 days ago

I stopped reading where you said you didn't believe in Jesus

[–] Blade13 (638) 13 days ago

Yeah we know for a fact that Jesus was a historical figure. Now one could argue he wasn't God/son of God, but he did exist.

[–] moviechatterer (13396) 13 days ago

I think most people believe he existed . I do .
When i said it I was referring to believing he was the son of god , but apparently I wasnt clear enough .

tbf "Believe in jesus" could mean many things like
Believe he'll be able to sort dinner out using only the limited supply of fish.
Believe he'll turn up for the meal we arranged
Beleive he's the sort of guy that would come out to help in the middle of the night if your cart broke an axle.

[–] Heretic (303) 13 days ago

I'm not really familiar with which faction did it

If there was only some sort of book that was freely available where you could learn this information...

[–] moviechatterer (13396) 13 days ago

Yeah I was hoping someone might summarise and gimme the gist, especially as theres more than one book . Each group has its own book.
From memory , correct me if I'm wrong .
It was the Romans what dun it , and they were Catholics right ?
And this was before the Protestant splinter group .
Catholics are a part of Christianity ?
back then the main part i think - so we could say Christians crucified Jesus .
The same group mainly that believes he was the son of god - the last people you'd expect to be responsible.

Also jews were around , I'm not sure if they go with the "son of god" angle , but i think they have a "woah , nothing to do with us" atttude re the cricifixion.

Also Muslims believe jesus existed i think, but have a different background for him .
They have "scholars" still trying to make sense of their book so i dont think i could do it .

[–] Heretic (303) 13 days ago

It was the Roman government based on Jews who wanted it.

We can't say it was Christians who did it. That makes no sense.

[–] moviechatterer (13396) 13 days ago

According to this Jews were barely tolerated , not running the empire.

https://www.pbs.org/empires/romans/empire/jews.html

There had been upsets: Jews had been banished from Rome in 139 BC, again in 19 AD and during the reign of Claudius. However, they were soon allowed to return and continue their independent existence under Roman law.

[–] WandererFromYs (1676) 13 days ago

Pontius Pilate let the people decide who was going to be pardoned, and who was going to be crucified. The people chose Barabbas over Jesus.

[–] Heretic (303) 13 days ago

Even his own source says that they were allowed to return and have a (somewhat) independent existence under Roman law.

Hence why Pontius Pilate offered to pardon one person before passover per Jewish tradition.

[–] parkerbot (5457) 13 days ago

There's a movie, I can't remember the name, low budget but the gist was that Jesus comes back and the government tries to take him out.

Maybe someone with a better memory can give the title but I'm gonna guess anyone who causes trouble for the people at the top of the pyramid suddenly find themselves smeared or un-alived.

[–] moviechatterer (13396) 13 days ago

Some sort of Duke Nukem deal?
"He's back , and he's pissed off!"

[–] parkerbot (5457) 13 days ago

No, more like he's back and he's preaching peace, so the FBI take him out.

I had it on VHS, so it's probably from the 1980s or 1990s.

[–] Corbell (8349) 13 days ago

Kind of stupid to lump all religious people into a group and hold them all responsible for something that occurred thousands of years ago.

You meet a italian woman today at a bar, you going to ask her about how mean the romans were to the celts? LOL.

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[–] moviechatterer (13396) 13 days ago

Yeah true I just thought there'd be more groveling and admission that mankind as a whole , past and present , fucked up.
He's certainly not forgotten about - Jesus on the cross being tortured is an icon to this day in every church and hanging round the neck of all the devout.
and the message seems to be:
" died for our sins , thanks for that"
as opposed to
" oh lord thats the biggest mistake anybody could have made in any circumstance's ever , again , please please forgive us we knew not what we were doing "

I mean - imagine getting caught taking a shit in your boss's desk drawer.
Thats bad , but its absolutely insignificant compared to murdering the son of god.

[–] Corbell (8349) 13 days ago

I'm not really a theologian, so, I'm not the one to really... dig into the big question there,

BUT, I do feel comfortable saying that, you're clearly missing teh point and you don't seem open to hearing the point either.

[–] chilone (17280) 13 days ago

Let's start with this: Jesus came here specifically, so that He would be killed for the sins of the entire world. That was His plan and despite MANY occurrences, including the Romans breaking many of their own laws, He was fully in charge and would not be deterred. If you really want to know, look into it. MovieChat isn't the best source for the kind of information you say you're after.

[–] moviechatterer (13396) 13 days ago

Ok , thats a new angle I was unaware of .
Is that all covered in the bible?
( just so i know where to look )

and maybe I'm not seeing the full picture , but coming to earth with the plan of getting murdered "for our sins" sounds , at best , counter intuitive.

[–] Heretic (303) 13 days ago

Why don't you try reading one of the Gospels? Mark only takes about 3 hours to read and has the whole story.

It explains pretty much everything.

[–] Keelai (31975) 12 days ago

The Romans occupied Palestine. A common form of punishment was crucifixion. Issa (Jesus' real name - not the Greek version) was one of thousands crucified by them.

He was a bit of a hothead who caused a stir and some locals became annoyed and filled a complaint against him. The rest you know.

[–] moviechatterer (13396) 12 days ago

Douglas Adams put it best

"A man was nailed to a tree for suggesting that people be nice to each other for a change"

[–] Keelai (31975) 12 days ago

Cool saying!

There's Biblical vs Historical Jesus. Not the same thing.

His followers ran an exceptional PR campaign embellishing the man which snowballed into a new religion with growing popularity.