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Interesting analysis. I never really thought about it that way. I always assumed he had good intentions, and just wanted to keep them away from stumbling upon his house and getting killed (knowing the others are severely unhinged). Maybe I'm a bit naive or so. I myself would have listened to his advice. I don't think there was any way he could have forseen them escaping if they stumbled upon them, considering that they are just kids and his family are unhinged lunatics with a lot of experience in the killing business. Regarding this aspect, I think he wanted to help them stay away from trouble. I didn't consider what would happen to them if they had to stay at the gas station, though. But I would think he didn't want to risk anything by doing something away from the safety of the house, and would just have got them the gas and sent them on their way.
He'll have to explain why he hid Claire's body, that's about it. He'll likely be able to get away with the robberies (which he was basically forced to do, per Alex's commands) because the 2 clerks didn't see his face, and there is no evidence on the tape mentioning this. As long as he doesn't mention it himself. And if it did come up, he'd probably do no more than a couple years for his minor role.
If he wants to keep his good job, he shouldn't mention the robberies.
I've seen this film dozens of times, and each time I pick up something new. That aside, I never thought it was intended to be anything other than 2 people in the same line of work just taking a short R&R so to speak. But, yes after many repeated viewings, I could see how some people may think there is a very minor undertone, but only on the part of Gillespie. I never got any inkling from Tibbs at all. But when the chief says "Don't you get just a little lonely?" and then later when Tibbs leaves, Gillespie says "Where you going?", seemingly not wanting Tibbs to leave, I can see how that can perhaps be taken out of context, I think.
Put this together with knowing that Rod Steiger was very liberal politically, and it just makes you wonder is there some sort of hidden message they wanted to hint at but not go any further than that.
Has either actor commented about this specifically, just to if anything, dispel rumors?
At the end where narrator Gordie tells what happens to each of the characters, I'm surprised Gordie and Vern didn't keep in close touch, especially since Gordie literally saved Vern's life on the train tracks.
Regarding the film version, I'm not quite so sure. I wouldn't mess with Gordie. He has that gun and can use it at any time. While he can't carry it all the time, if Ace did something bad to him, he could use it at a later time against him.
I know it's Chris' family's gun, but I'm sure Gordie could get access, if he already didn't hang on to it.
He should have been caught after he killed the cab driver. He was seen walking the street by 2 police officers, but they drove by because the AP bulletin said it was a Black guy who did it. Zodiac even wrote a note how he saw the cops and also later that night he was hiding out in a park and could hear the cops revving their motorcycle engines trying to have fun instead of looking for him in the park where he acknowledeged he would have been caught.
Sorry, but I have a hard time believing someone as strong-willed as her would let herself basically get extorted by anybody, let alone someone so socially awkward. Is it implied that they went all the way, or maybe stopped short? He did say he wanted to do things that she wouldn't let him.
Either way, whether she heard him or it was in his head, he perceived her response to be rude, hence his anger.
I thought the ending felt right for the satirical nature of the film. Only thing that I felt was over the top was the screen text about what happened to the characters. I know that is satirical too, but there is no way Otto survives falling from a plane wing at 100mph lol, let alone recovers being run over by a steamroller in a cement patch.
Thanks for that Vastuntitled! Your responses are really educational and I appreciate it. While I'm a tennis player, I've been a fan of the Rocky series since I was born basically. The first movie I ever saw in a theater was Rocky 4, when I was 4 or 5. All the blood really freaked me out haha.
In real boxing, I've always been a Tyson fan ever his NES video game in the 80s. There was a little motivational note from him to us kids inside each game cartridge along with the instruction manual, so I really thought that was cool. I remember watching ESPN when he lost to Buster Douglas in 1990 and they had a scroll on the bottom that said he was upset. I couldn't believe it.
I don't follow boxing much nowadays, but always watch the Rocky movies when they are on.
This aside, it looks like Rocky is still staggering to his feet when the referee counts 10. It seems to me, at least in modern boxing, that the fighter has to be established on his feet to get that extra second, so in this it wouldn't be until a second or 2 after the referee counts 10. Not sure what the counts were like in the 70s, and if this would be more likely to pass in that era.
Things were slower in general until the beginning of the 90s. There weren't cellphones, and processes were just slower in general. Being a boxing match, you would think there is an ambulance on site, but maybe to coordinate everything just took so much time.
It was the 2nd sequel, and Mickey needed to die. They needed to switch to a more serious angle, and it worked perfectly.
Since Rocky couldn't fight anymore, they just went their separate ways. Duke went back to L.A. probably
I started thinking this too. The only real thing I can think of is the assault on Paulie.
Haha, everytime I watch the movie I pick up more and more of the background dialogue in this scene.
For all the integrity that Tony claimed to have, I thought Frank had more. And it was Tony who made moves on Frank's lady that led to this. While nobody is innocent in this business, Frank seemed like a more easygoing, friendly guy. Tony has some good aspects, but did a lot of things behind Frank's back. And it was Frank who gave Tony his big break.
He is likeable in the sense that he was always true to his word, and also didn't kill women and children. Aside from that, no. He stole Elvira from Lopez and went against the guy who gave him his break. I viewed Lopez as way more likeable, and was hoping he could find a way to squirm out of the situation before he died.
I was thinking this too. In the back of his mind he should have been prepared for that the moment Tony and the others walked into the room. Tony still didn't know 100%, until the reaction to the phone call. The first time I saw the film, I thought Tony was going to spare him when he said he wasn't going to kill him, and was relieved for a few seconds. Only to have Manny shoot him.
Back in 2004, my cousin and I roadtripped across the country which took us through the Austin area. I mentioned maybe seeing if we could find the Top Notch. It was early evening right as the sun was going down, and when we arrived we found it had just closed for the day. I wanted to get a picture in front of the sign and as we were taking pictures, the manager came out and we chatted, and he offered to go back in and turn on the lights on the sign so we could get pics with the lights. He said next time we were in town to stop back and have a burger :)