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Why? Cause he killed a terrorist that had just murdered his best friend, an American soldier?

Remember teh bit where the Flag smashers set fire to the van full of hostages and John Walker grabbed it so that it would not fall to their deaths, and the flag smasher used that distraction to attack him and beat him while he was holding the burning van full of innocent civilians?


Yeah, Walker might have issues from the serum now, but he's still a good guy.


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He killed a surrendering man while having the mantle of someone who is supposed to stand for justice. Captain America isn't a judge, jury, and executioner. Also it wasn't the Flag Smashers as a whole who were terrorists, mostly just Karly that they all followed for some reason even though they clearly disagreed with her methods which is another issue I had with the show.

Again, in the end he was too buddy buddy with Falcon and Bucky despite all of the animosity they had with each other up until that point. His development happened way too quick. It may have been a result of shooting during covid, but it could've been written better. Either have him in a worse place in the end make the season longer so that development is more natural.

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The flag smashers were definitely a terrorist group, as a whole. The guy that was "killed" was part of the murder plot to kill Cap. America and that did kill Battle Star just minutes before.

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What is this nonsense? You're bothered Walker wasn't punished enough, but outright excusing a terrorist? He was a part of group planning on killing Walker.

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And did kill Battle Star.

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"bUt tHe TeRRorIsT WAlkER kiLLeD diDn'T dO iT!"

Seriously, I can;t with that guy or this show. The morality and logic - or lack of it - in this show is infuriating. Bucky and Sam - who break one terrorist out of prison - are so focused on Walker that they ignore and then eventually EXCUSE the other terrorist. It's fucking unreal someone wrote this for a show supposedly about heroes.

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Hollywood gets so distracted by their lefty politics that they end up, writing themselves into absurd corners.

The Pitch Meeting guy's take on this was hilarious and on point. At one point the Flagsmashers set fire to a van full of hostages, Walker is holding it so it won't fall over a wall to their fiery deaths, and the flagsmashers use his distraction as an advantage and attack him.

And STILL after that, the writers were still pretending they were not terrorists and had a valid message.

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Do they (set fire to a van)? I only watched that shit show once. I just watched the clip where she and her crew try to stop him from saving innocent people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2THmXZMoQ8. Remember that scene? Sam episode as "You have to stop calling them terrorists."

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Mmm, you might be right, I might have confused that with another scene. I only watched it once, too.

Yeah, They made Sam a freaking moron.

And WHY? it's like they are TRYING to drive away their fans.

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How exactly am I excusing a terrorist?

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You literally said:

"Also it wasn't the Flag Smashers as a whole who were terrorists"

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And they all are terrorists. Clearly.

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But they didn't. Admittedly those that clearly didn't agree with Karly's methods (which you see a couple of them when she first blows up that building with the people inside) should've left the group, but they didn't all commit terrorist acts like she did.

I'm also not okay with Sam being preachy at the end saying Karly wasn't a terrorist, because she fits the exact definition. The end was handled sloppy.

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You're an idiot. None of them just stood around. They ran with a terrorist, making them TERRORISTS. They committed violent crimes in the names of their beliefs. That is TERRORISM.

These are all acts of TERRORISM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2THmXZMoQ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ForpDsSKhyY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkNPbEYiQuQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9pPVwxLpNY

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He was down and out enough, he'd lost his career, his reputation, his fantastic new job, his health (arm in sling), and he was totally unemployable because he'd been been fired and shamed in front of the entire world. All he had left was his nice wife, who was presumably paying the bills and putting him to bed when he got really hammered.

I was okay with seeing him that way in the last episode, stripped of everything (but the wife), and desperately trying to hold on to his dignity, for lack of anything else. He was right on the edge and leaning into a plummet then, which is a more suspenseful place for a character to be than rock bottom.

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Except in the end he seemed very happy go lucky. His development just wasn't very organic. It felt rushed.

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Fair point but "happy-go-lucky" is one of his two core personalities, the other being introspective moodiness.

I don't think that's inconsistent character development so much as an inconsistent person. That head twitch of his seems to sell that point.

Like Bucky says, he's crazy.

Zemo sensed it too -- while they were waiting for Sam to chat up Karly, Walker was getting more and more hyper, and the camera made it a point to show Zemo staring at him with interest and perhaps concern.

I see him as someone who wants to do the right thing, but has had to make too many compromises to remain stable.

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"I was okay with seeing him that way in the last episode, stripped of everything" for what faults?

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Stripped of everything and teetering on the edge, as opposed to being shown hitting rock bottom, as the OP suggested.

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My point was more like: why were you ok with that outcome for Walker? What made you hate him so much that you wanted that outcome for him?

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I have said absolutely nothing about whether the military's treatment of Walker was fair or not, whether he deserved any of that, and frankly - it's not a subject I'm interested in discussing.

What I *was* discussing, is the dramatic impact of seeing him stripped of everything at the end of the season. The OP said it'd have been more dramatic if we saw him at rock bottom, and I say it's more dramatic if we see him teetering on the edge of the collapse and one tiny stressor away from rock bottom. I'm always happy to discuss what is or isn't effective writing.

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AH, ok. I misunderstood you. I thought you expressed a moral judgement there :)

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[Air kiss]

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"I have said absolutely nothing about whether the military's treatment of Walker was fair or not, whether he deserved any of that, and frankly - it's not a subject I'm interested in discussing."

Maybe you should stop coming to this board since there are so many topics you aren't interested in discussing?

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You think you can tell me what to do?

Isn't that sweet. See below.

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"I feel like overall he got off too easy and his redemption arc happened too soon. "

Hold on... redemption arc?

I don't think that Val person was offering him redemption, we have no idea what she want to use his powers for. In fact, we may have just seen his Supervillain Origin Story.

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