For people who casually watch super hero movies or don't want to watch 19 films to get all the references, what is this movie going to lead into? Marvel movies are falling into the continued storyline trap where each film is leading into another. So, what's after this movie? When will marvel peak? What are your thoughts?
sharewhat is this movie going to lead into?
IW2 was turned into a new Avengers 4, because the IW storyline was able to be fit into one movie.
shareMakes sense ...and with that in mind the new Avengers storyline (post-IW/IG), i.e. continuation to tie them all together, will most likely be something centered around a Skrull invasion. Just a hunch.
Damn I hope Marvel gains control over the FF franchise soon.
I take it that you haven't watched too many of the Marvel films. Each one is its own stand-alone film, and doesn't require you to have seen any of the other films besides those of the same trilogy. The post-credit scenes may be a bit mysterious to you, but they usually are to me, too, and I've been watching all the films. For the most part, each of the films has been quite unlike any others, yet with a consistent Marvel "voice" present.
Infinity War may be the exception to this, as it's bringing together all the various characters, but I doubt it's something a 5-minute online recap won't easily prepare you to see.
Where is it leading? Anyone's guess. There is another Avengers film coming next year. Infinity War may end on a cliffhanger, or it may wrap up and lead into a new story. Regardless, even if you've not yet seen a single Marvel film, you should have no trouble following the story if you go see Infinity War.
You're right. I've watched 3 to 4 of the films. It astounds me that were coming up on 20. I just wonder when the tipping point will be reached. I'm thinking that Black Panther may be the peak of the marvel franchise. I don't mind being wrong, I just don't see this upward trend continuing for much longer.
shareI look at Black Panther as more of an anomaly than a peak. In addition to being a great superhero film, it has also captured the current diversity movement, and it spoke to a whole segment of society that has been ignored. That allowed it to tap a market heretofore untapped by superhero films. This appeal to disparate audiences is similar to the phenomenon that propelled Titanic to the top years ago. I think the lesson has been learned-- diversity in films can lead to ticket sales if the film is good-- and while future Marvel films may not have the cultural impact, they can still put up solid numbers. They can't all make over a billion dollars, but even half of Black Panthers take makes for a tidy profit on a film.
As for Marvel as a whole, I think that as long as they continue producing quality films, and don't fall into a rut or start repeating themselves, they will maintain their current level of success. After all, they have about 60 years worth of comic books to draw upon, and those titles are still attracting readers after all those decades. It's hard to imagine that they'll ever run the risk of growing stale putting out just 2 or 3 movies each year. Again-- the real barometer will be how good the movies are, but I'm optimistic.
I look at Black Panther as more of an anomaly than a peak. In addition to being a great superhero film, it has also captured the current diversity movement, and it spoke to a whole segment of society that has been ignored. That allowed it to tap a market heretofore untapped by superhero films.
Yes All 19 films MUST be watched as well as ALL 10 TV SHOWS (soon to be 11) which consist of about 300 episodes. Plus webisodes. These must all be watched before Infinity War......THEY MUST ALL BE WATCHED!!! Even if you have seen them you will need a refesher. I mean we All need to be reminded that the skovia accords were mentioned in AOS and The Raft was brought up like half a dozen times on Jessica Jones. Just watch them all a few days before and you should be good. Lol
shareSounds like a long week and a half. I think I'm just going to enjoy the sarcasm and stop watching any marvel properties.
shareI have to admit I'm not as enthusiastic about the films as much anymore. I do watch them but wait for Blu-ray. I actually enjoy the TV series more. The characters are more fleshed out and the stories are more serious and the rarely if ever go into the silly, campy crap that we have seen with the Movies most notably GOTG and Thor Ragnarok. But yeah I'm starting to see the end of the road here. I'm guessing in two or three more years they will be wrapping up the entire universe. Every show will have no less than two seasons and the movies no less than two films per franchise.
shareFor people who casually watch super hero movies or don't want to watch 19 films to get all the references
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believe it or not....almost 90% of the audience buying ticket to see AIW has seen all 17 MCU films
http://deadline.com/2018/03/avengers-infinity-war-advance-ticket-sales-record-fandango-1202339516/
...If you looking at The MCU films Post Avengers 1....The Audience is stunningly consistent and ONLY growing!
Basically, Post Avengers 1, IM3 through Ant-Man, almost every MCU film averaged 650 to 700 M +, From CW until Now its grown over 800 M+...
The MCU films are consistently getting the same audience back and Growing that Audience....
Based on the new Audience, If AIW say makes 1.3 B....that Will mean about Over 65%+ of The Audience has seen all or most of The MCU films...
to your overall question, IMO(and based off what Fiege has said)Avengers IW is going to change everything...Its going to concluded 10 years of stories for all these characters and Its going to drastically change the MCU going forward...anything and everything is on the table for the next 2 Avengers movies...
considering that Hemsworth, Evans, RDJ and Scarjos contracts are up, The Avengers IW 3 and 4 are going to set the stage for a completely new MCU going forward...
for example, Marvel Studios has had these actors under 6 movie contracts, those are now up, Its makes absolutely no sense business wise to bring them back for another Avengers movie...
You would have to pay them upwards of 15 to 20 Million a piece, and 50+ Million RDJ....
instead Marvel Studios now had Cumberbatch, Holland, Pratt,Larson and Boseman locked up for 6 picture deals making 1 to 3 Million a picture...
Basically whatever happens in Avengers 3 and 4 is going to set a new course going forward where The MCU films and Avengers films will be build around these new characters where they got the actors locked up for minimum contracts....which means its entirely possible Avengers 3 and 4 could see the death of Major characters like Cap,Thor,Tony, BW and others...
The Next Avengers film that comes in 2021 on later...Will be headlined by Spider-Man, Black Panther, Star-Lord, Doctor Strange, and Will have characters Like Captain Marvel, Ant-Man other GOTG members...
so Avengers 3 and 4 isnt going to be a commercial for anything, Its going to be the culmination of the entire MCU where events will drastically change the of course and set the stage for The next 10 years of the MCU....
personally im looking forward to it, even though I'm going to hate to see Hemsworth,Evans and RDJ go...especially Evans as Cap...He is By FAR my favorite part of the MCU and favorite character, I got a terrible feeling hes going to die in 3 or 4 Which will be hard to watch..
Disney Just announced 6 MCU films with release dates through 2021, and they are easily to figure out and tells you everything you need to know about the future.
6 dates in between now through 2021...the 6 films have to be
GOTG3
Doctor Strange 2
Black Panther 2
Ant-Man 3
Captain Marvel 2(If Cap M 1 succeeds)
Avengers 5
Its clear Avengers 3 and 4, Is going to change everything, setting the way for these new characters and movies to headline the MCU going forward
PS was sure if this was a troll thread not, not sure if your just being negative here or actually asking a question, regardless I answer the question like it was A real question and provided pretty clear data for why Avengers 3 +4 are important and arent just a commercial...
This is a well made reply. I'm not trolling, I'm just surprised at the market trend. Now, if you take the actual market itself and look at the trajectory, it's increasing. Every product has a shelf life. The question is, where is the tipping point for Marvel super hero movies? I don't mind people being fans. I just wonder when the tipping point will happen.
shareI agree, Marvel Studios Will at some point have to at least have some decrease in success...I'm not sure Marvel Studios Will ever shut down or losing audiences so much that The films arent profitable or box office hits...but I do see a point sometime where Audiences might not be as Together and as Strong for MCU films...
but IMO its not and WONT happen at Minimum until after 2022...
The 6 films I just listed are guaranteed successes with proven Audiences built in,
GOTG3
Doctor Strange 2
Black Panther 2
Ant-Man 3
Captain Marvel 2(If Cap M 1 succeeds)
Avengers 5
^these Will all almost certainly make as much or more than their predecessors
thats puts us through 2022...
IMO I think the tipping point or point where Marvel Studios could lose some audiences is PHASE 5(after 2022)...
This will be the point where Marvel Studios reboots both The Fantastic Four and X-Men and Fits them into the MCU...
Now given Marvel Studios track record and most importantly with Kevin Fiege at the head...I believe theres probably at least a 75% chance they knock it out of the park, and The MCU grows Even more in audience
But you can not deny, There is a real possibility if things are ever going to go wrong, This is the time.
The Movies coming out from now until 2022 are just too FAIL PROOF...The audience is proven to be there, The films Will at least make as much or more than their predecessors, I see GOTG3, making between 800 to 1 B, Doctor Strange2 making between 650 to 800 M, and Ant Man 2 having a HUGE bump from his role in Civil War making between 650 to 750 M., Black Panther is IMO the only 1 that wont make as much as its predecessor, it will be impossible to replicate The Cultural movement behind BP, But I see BP2 making between 900 to 1 B+
after 2022, Marvel Studio Will be heading into a completely knew era With most of their Key franchises finishing up and trying to start/reboot and establish New franchises..This is when things could go wrong, If Marvel Studios started off
with a X-Men and Fantastic Four Reboots, that went over terrible...this could loses some audiences, If Marvel Studios starts trying to produce new Franchises like Inhumans, Sub-Mariner, Ghost Rider or Daredevil and They dont take Well, It could Lose Audiences
The overall point is..right Now, IMO(and my opinion is based on facts and data) I believe The MCU Films coming out through 2022 are BULLETPROOF...The Audiences are too invested and The Films have been too great in quality(Literally all 18 MCU films have been liked/loved) for any of the upcoming films to disappoint or even have big declines in box office..
I see no way "The Tipping Point" happens until Post 2022" and even then I give it like only a 25% chance...I think Kevin Fiege is a borderline Genius when it comes to producing MCU films, I think He was BORN to do this job, HIs destiny is to do exactly what hes doing and I believe as long as hes there and in charge, Marvel Studios and The MCU will keep Producing both Box office and Critical/Audiences hit on a near 90% + basis
but I'm also not biased and a realist, I can see that Post 2022, Marvel Studios is gonna have some big decisions, and Will be making decisions and making films that will shape the next decade of the MCU films, If they dont get it right, If whatever films they decide to forward with dont strike with Audiences, There is the possibility for Marvel Studios to at least experience trouble and go on a downward trajectory...
X-Men and Fantastic Four are the keys, if Marvel Studios Nails the reboots that mixes them With The MCU...then were looking at at least 10+ years of continued Success, If Marvel Studios fails, If Audiences dont like The rebooted MCU XMen and FF films, IMO we could see a time where Marvel Studios struggles...
all and all...the next 4 years are Guaranteed, and Will only HAD even more Audiences....after that Marvel Studios is either going to usher in a new era With great Xmen and FF reboots, along with new franchises like Darredevil, Inhumans, Submariner, Ghost Rider and others...Or They Might struggle in the new ERA...
again If I were betting, If Fiege is there, Id say there at least a 75% chance, Marvel Studios Nails and dominates for at least another 10 + years
IMO I think the tipping point or point where Marvel Studios could lose some audiences is PHASE 5(after 2022)...
This will be the point where Marvel Studios reboots both The Fantastic Four and X-Men and Fits them into the MCU...
Is it confirmed that Marvel Studios is getting control of the FF and XM after 2022?
^^^no they should get control next year , sometime in 2019...
They made the deal with Fox, now they are just waiting for it to be approved which is said to be about year from now...
the reason I said Marvel Studios wont be producing any X-Men or FF movies until at least 2022, is because Marvel Studios released their slate of upcoming films, They are producing 8 films between now and 2021, and none of them can be X-Men or FF...
Avengers IW 2
Captain Marvel
and 6 Untitled films which have to be GOTG 3, BP2, Ant Man 3, Doctor Strange 2, Spider-Man HC2, Avengers 5 or Captain Marvel 2
Plus, its just not possible to get 2 films made that fast, Marvel Studios Will gain the rights back probably around this time next year, which is 2019, Its going to take some time to get these films in development, Cast then, get writers and directors.
to me, its just a certainty, Marvel Studios will Plan to Reboot the FF and X-Men to start off Phase 5 in 2022, ...
that Would give them 3 years to Dev elope these films while all the Phase 4 films play out from now until 2021...
X-Men Dark Phoenix is due out this November(Thats under Fox though), Theres no way Marvel Studios is Rushing out another X-Men film before 2021.
I imagine, Fantastic Four Will probably be First With a release date for Summer 2022 and X-Men be next With a release date for summer 2023...
Marvel Studios just has too many other franchises to focus on right now and finish, rushing a FF and X-Men film makes zero sense, especially when those films are going to be your corner stones of the MCU for the next 7 to 10 years.
The Disney/Fox will be completed sometime in 2019, Marvel Studios Will then start developing The X-Men and FF reboots for a 2022 and beyond release to kick off Phase 5