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posted 4 years ago by TreeShaman (806)
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Daniel Craig's pseudo James Bond will make Brexit (and Trump, not that those have anything to do with one another) a focus of this film though. Why would a patriotic Brit who serves his country on the front line be in favour of the EU? That makes no sense. It's the complete opposite of what the character would do, but we already knew that this 'saga' is a post-modern deconstruction of who Bond actually is. If Eon wanted this film and character to still be relevant, making the primary villain an EU-style bureaucrat who wants to consolidate power and erode the sovereignty and independence of all European nations would actually be creative genius.

Craig is entitled to his opinion, but he really shouldn't be forcing it into a film series and fundamentally changing an established character just to push a political agenda. Sean Connery is in favour of Scottish independence, but he never poisoned the series and character to push that or any other political agenda in the way that Craig now has.

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

I'd prefer the Bonds to avoid commenting on politicians and present day issues as much as possible, like they had for their entire existence up to this point.

[–] TreeShaman (806) 4 years ago

Are you sure about that? Bond was quite obviously anti-Communist during the Cold War. These films were not neutral on that subject.

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Yeah, that was about it for the politics. The Soviets were the baddies. But there was no avoiding the Cold War back then if you were making spy movie.

[–] TreeShaman (806) 4 years ago

Sure, and I'm glad that they didn't make that the focus of every single film, but it's clear that Bond took firm sides on contemporary political questions. Bond is a patriotic, imperialistic British man. It's absurd to imagine that he is now a woke, par for the course Hollywood liberal who seems opposed to his own country and heritage. If they want to completely ignore Brexit then that would be fine, but if they want to make that a focus on this film then they have chosen completely the wrong side according to what the character of James Bond would actually believe.

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

I can't recall Bond ever coming out in favor of imperialism in the movies. During the cold war even most left wing politicians were anti-communist, so it wasn't exactly a controversial stance. And like I said, that's one thing you really couldn't avoid coming up in that genre at that time.

[–] TreeShaman (806) 4 years ago

If Craig and the current people in charge of these films could be transported back in time, the films would have been pro-Communist. That's the equivalent to what they are doing now.

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

I won't argue that, LOL. Movies and politics have shifted a lot in recent years.

[–] MovieChatUser497 (18943) 4 years ago

You sure about that? Because all of the Cold War Bond films went out of their way to not make the Russians the villains. If the villain was a Russian he did not have the support of his government (Orlov, Klebb, etc.)

[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

Sean Connery is in favour of Scottish independence, but he never poisoned the series and character to push that or any other political agenda in the way that Craig now has

Wokes are much more fanatic than traditional nationalists. Connery supported Scottish independence, but when he was doing his job, he was doing his job, period. And he played a perfect British character.

Craig, on the contrary, he's a woke. And wokes have some kind of Superior Moral Entitlement that (from their point of view) gives them the right to dismiss any other consideration.

[–] TreeShaman (806) 4 years ago

Connery is from a totally different generation of actors, back when they were actually professionals and behaved as such.

[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

Agreed.

[–] TreeShaman (806) 4 years ago

It's not just about an actor's behaviour and attitude, but actors back then were actually classically trained in theatre schools. Timothy Dalton was performing Shakespeare before he ever got into the film industry. What professional training or education has Daniel Craig ever had? I don't think he's even been to theatre school or had any real experience in acting before getting into the film industry. It sure doesn't seem that way.

[–] Satan2016 (23666) 4 years ago

Don't worry, it's not about Brexit! It's about transgendered bathrooms.

[–] TheAdlerian (2092) 4 years ago

All of these movies have sucked.

This will suck.

I wish they would get back to Bond films being science fiction as they mostly have been and make them enjoyable.

Mission Impossible films are the real Bond films.