If she wasn't such a chicken *beep* bitch, she could have just told him she was cheating on him with his asian friend instead of just blocking him. Could have prevented the whole thing.
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Ignoring is always easier than facing up to something. And this would happen in real life also if the technology was there
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That's how I felt, if she just told him the truth about the child's paternity, so much could have been avoided. He spent so many years obsessing over child that wasn't even his, really very tragic all the way around.
sharePretty much. Why "deal" with a highly unpleasant situation when you can just legally opt-out entirely? Her selfishness and cowardice forced the situation to an extreme; of course, the which is par for the course in Black Mirror...
shareI felt really sorry for the guy but I was still very annoyed at the way he was trying to force her into having the baby. However a lesser punishment would've been sufficient to say the least!
shareHe didn't force her, seems like he just wanted to discuss it.
shareI'd say he was definitely upset, understandably so, but he never got crossed any line or was abusive. Certainly did not deserve a permanent ban, nor should she have been allowed to just tune him out because she was wracked with guilt about cheating on him, likely for a long time. But it is all supposed to be entertaining and lead to discussion.
shareYou seem to be okay with the fact that when it comes to paternity, men have ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHTS WHATSOEVER. He wanted it she didn't - tough shit for him. If she wanted it and he didn't - tough shit for him.
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Unfortunately this is so true.
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It would be interesting to know if somewhere, sometime a woman went ahead and had a baby because the dad wanted it. Surely that's happened at one time or another.
shareAgreed! It's an outrage the man has seemingly no input when it comes to the say in a pregnancy! This was an established couple too! If a woman wants to keep a baby even without the man's involvement, he better be prepared for child support, but if a man wants to keep a baby without a woman's involvement...doesn't happen because she's not going to go through pregnancy and birth for a baby she doesn't want just because he does. Sad but true. Very unfortunate situation.
shareHe made his own choices too. I don't think what she did lets him off the hook, his actions are still his fault.
But I did really quite hate her for torturing him like that. A dismal, cowardly, inexcusable thing to do.
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That's the point. Advanced technology enabled her to break up with him in a cruel way and it had unintended, unfortunate consequences. I think we all understand the rage...but he's still *beep* for hitting the old man with a snowglobe...
Plus it was a bitch move to forget about the girl alone in the house in the winter.
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Maybe I'm the only one seeing this but I thought he was quite abusive to her. He seemed to get really mad at her when they were arguing about her being pregnant and if I remember correctly he even threw something, seems like she was afraid of him. Also, it looked like he had a drink problem.
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She wouldn't answer him.
How do you think throwing a plant is worse than cutting off all communication?
It was her fault clearly. It's not even a debate.
She lied, she knew it, and then she refused to face responsibility, and chose to punish him.
I hope she died a very painful death. What she did was one of the most cruel things I can imagine.
But remember he didn't throw anything until the bitch blocked him.
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It wasn't his friend she cheated with. It was her coworker. I do think a large part was her fault but it seemed like her boyfriend was also not that great. It was hinted that he was abusive and a drunk. Still, a lifetime block seemed harsh. Maybe a few weeks until they both had time to think, but years?? She definitely made a bad situation 10 times worse. Ok, both of them were horrible ppl.
shareThey were both to blame for sure, but I can see both of their sides.
Her main fault is that she is too passive and was too willing to let technology handle things for her. The blocking technology made it way too easy to avoid any confrontation whatsoever. Without that, she would have had to talk with him an admit that she cheated and go through a lot of pain. Not justifying her actions, but its easy to see how someone who doesnt like confrontation could default to actions like that.
Once she had blocked him for long enough, there was no reason to reverse that decision.
Its implied that their relationship was not very stable to start with, although we don't know whos fault that was. She seemed to be annoyed with his drunkenness at the bar, which could have been a one time event or something very regular. If she was willing to cheat and hide things like that though, one or both of them had caused rifts in their relationship to cause it to be that weak.
I take the guys side for the first half, but once he killed the old guy and ditched the girl, he was 100% at fault.
"but once he killed the old guy and ditched the girl, he was 100% at fault." 100% huh?
So him just learning he has no daughter at all and he been wasting years dreaming about the day he could finally see her and the old man just cruelly saying something incredibly insensitive at the moment he was emotionally devastated wasn't what the modern law would call "extenuating circumstances" at all? I don't know about you but 99% of all people would react the same way. We're emotional beings and when we're deeply hurt we will do things totally automatically as if on reflex. There is no chance for reason or to think about the consequences. ANYBODY can snap in a fraction of a second if we experience something that shakes us to our very core. Yes, it's murder but we were also told the old man was far from a saint as he tried sabotaging their relationship in any way he could, not to mention his lack of sense at old age (or his ignorant generation) made something incredibly stupid - cruelly poking an emotionally sharp stick into a man who just learned he has lost everything and has been living a lie for years. The guy instantly regretted what he did but had an instant reflex of rage the very second the old man angrily rejected him.
As for the girl. Yes, he is more responsible for the death of her but he didn't kill her in cold blood but just panicked once he realized he was now a murderer for killing the old man. He clearly still wasn't thinking clearly and who can blame him? The girl froze to death. That falls under "involuntary manslaughter" , more specifically in the criminally negligent manslaughter. But people falling in those are usually parents who don't lock away their firearms from children or careless babysitters who don't keep the baby under constant surveillance. This man experienced an emotional shock and a personal catastrophe as wasn't even negligent in the way it's defined. Knowing the insanely sadistic and hellish punishments of this reality it's no wonder he didn't confess his crime. The punishment is NOT in accordance to the crime.
In real life he'd get 3-5 years in prison. That sadistic monster that decided to torture his sentient and sapient conscience for what amounts to several million years makes the "evil" actions of the "murderer" appear like farting in church. His virtual conscience admitted too and showed immense regret and relief finally having come completely clean. So let's torture him in a limbo for millions of years.
100% his fault. We're lucky our law system has progressed beyond the Medieval mentality and that murders still are classified by degrees, intent (or lack of) and extenuating circumstances.
I'd stay well clear of anybody saying somebody is at "100%" fault for anything. Not even Hitler was 100% at fault. Aside from the fact he had an abusive father, saw his country punished and humiliated in the Versailles Treaty - essentially turning Germany into a serf state and angering millions of Germans not just him, saw the Great Depression turn Germany from bad to worse, had plenty of people supporting and believing in him (including the American businessman Henry Ford) and had several million of German voluntarily democratically voting for him into power being well aware of his anti-semitism he was entirely at fault... It doesn't excuse his despicable actions but it sure as h*** explains all the factors needed for something like that to happen and that it requires the ignorance and evil of millions to bring a tyrant to power. Tell me: What power does an evil man have without countless of loyal supporters sharing his view and millions of voters sharing his basic belief? Whoever reduces evil to something a single man is singlehandedly responsible for has not learned a godd*** thing from history. If we're the prevent evil we first need to inform people what causes it and stop the ones who crudely reduce it to something simple a single scapegoat is responsible of.
Agreed, nothing in life is 100%. I didn't mean that phrase in a literal way.
You have to be careful with that line of thinking though. If you go deep enough with that, you could claim that everything we do is 0% our fault and 100% the fault of the environment and other elements around us instead. If Hitler had been switched at birth and grew up with a very caring and loving Jewish family outside of the reach of war or any negative environmental influences, he certainly wouldnt have caused the Holocaust. Does that mean that he isnt to blame? No.
The father wouldn't give him answers either, and he knew the child's parentage. He should have let him know, so no, I don't blame the main character at all.
His wife cheated, had a baby, refused to talk, blocked him, let him think he had a kid for years, the dad covered it up, his wife died, and all he gets for it is to realize she had been lying the entire time. F her. F her kid. F her dad.
The main guy wasn't after revenge, but damnit he earned it, so chalk it up to that if you must.
what a lovely fellow you must be.
shareA really good Black Mirror episode, and so many are, just fans animated debate and discussion. That's why the show is remarkable. It usually takes a plausible situation to a technology- and circumstance-driven extreme...often with a massive plot twist thrown in.
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