Female Pirate To Replace Johnny Depp?


That would have been so awesome, but this film might not even happen now. She's called Redd, and she's a new character on the POTC ride.

https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/female-pirate-replace-johnny-depp-pirates-caribbean-reboot/

https://www.slashfilm.com/pirates-of-the-caribbean-redd/

Movies about heroines like Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel have done well recently. Studios should be open to more films with female leads, including female pirates. ๐Ÿ‘

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ha - it would certainly go well with the current trend of replacing white male leads of existing franchises with female or black/asian leads. It's very woke, you see. Ghostbusters, ocean's 8, terminator, etc, etc -



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What's "woke" or forced about making a female pirate movie!? It is historically accurate. Female pirates existed.

I can see why people are annoyed or disappointed with favorite characters being changed. However, Disney seems to be retiring Captain Jack Sparrow. He isn't being replaced by a new actor or, even worse, a female actress to play the same role. He has always been a supporting character anyway, and people complained he had too much screen time in the sequels.

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That's true, but if more woke films with femcel leads bomb they might change their minds on the negative femiganda approach.

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Oh, piss off. The most successful pirate was a woman. She commanded over 300 ships.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ching_Shih

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Yes, approx. 100 years later, in the 1800s, in China, on the other side of the world, there was the anecdotal occurrence of a woman rising to power as a pirate for a couple of years after her husband died leaving her the reigns. This definitely makes fierce, powerful female pirates of the Caribbean, in the 1700s, in the golden age of piracy totally legit lol.

Then again, magic isn't very legit either in these movies. Nor is much else, really. Hell, half the things we see about pirates even in things attempting historical accuracy base most of their info on an ancient, clearly fictionalized, highly sensationalized tabloid-akin book entitled A General History of the Pyrates (most of the wild tales we hear about Blackbeard, Mary Reed, Anne Bonny, etc come from this ye old clickbait). So I suppose nitpicking over the historical accuracy of what genitals the pirates have is kind of missing the forest for the trees.

That being said, it's highly likely changes like this are made in movies due to hamfisted political correctness. I mean, let's get real here. It's not subtle. It's just well-intentioned filmmakers trying to shoehorn in diversity and inclusiveness so as to make sure no one feels left out (because girls want to be vicious criminals and murderers on the high seas too lol it's only fair). Which is nice of them, I guess. But it does make their decisions feel somewhat forced and as if they care more about real-world issues than the story they're trying to tell.

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What a dreadful idea.

The only reason that the whole "Pirates" franchise ever became popular was because of Depp. If he's too unreliable to work for Disney now, they just need to let the whole business die.

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https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/elizabeth-swann-and-the-lost-pirates-of-the-caribbean-franchise

https://www.slashfilm.com/elizabeth-swann-appreciation/

https://ohmy.disney.com/movies/2015/01/26/elizabeth-swann-from-governors-daughter-to-awesome-pirate-captain/

Actuallyyyyyyyyyyyyy the first movie is Elizabeth's story. The trilogy starts with her as a young girl, and it ends with her as a grown woman. Captain Jack is a great character, but the first three movies are about Elizabeth's journey.

Jack is great fun, but he's a caricature. He can't carry a whole film. POTC 4 and 5 included Jack Sparrow, and they they didn't do as well because Will and Elizabeth drove the story. All the actors are good, really. That's why it's been successful. Nothing will top the first movie because lightning doesn't strike twice, but some of us are interested in seeing the franchise go in a new direction. It could be several years before making a new one is even considered.

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Sorry, I never liked Knightley and her modern-girl-in-historical-stories schtick.

Yes, she and Bloom were the real leads of the first three films and were perfectly decent foils to Depp's loopiness, but I to hold to my original statement was that Depp's goofy pirate was what made the films *popular*. Without him, the story is quite... generic, he brought some originality and fun.

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It was Depp, indeed. He SOLD the flick. Bloom and Knightly, COMBINED, have all the charisma of a Glad Bag. There are sure women with pizzazzโ€”for example, Dafne Keenโ€”whoโ€™d be a superb choice to carry this new film. She has the athletic skills to mop the poop deck with Knightly, literally. She was LAUGHABLE in Domino.

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Dafne Keen didn't impress me in "His Dark Materials", she totally failed to capture the clever liveliness that made the Lyra of the books such a good heroine. But as I said elsewhere, that was more a problem with the writing than the actress, but still.

Athletic skills aren't what sell flicks, they have stuntwomen for that. What sells flicks is the kind of engaging spark that neither Keen or Knightley has ever shown me.

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My opinion of Dafne comes from her work in Logan, where I found her a revelation. I associate charisma with intensity. Perhaps you donโ€™t, and thatโ€™s fair. I find fighting skills to be a very raw way to show personal intensity. This is why I have never seen a person be more intense than Bruce Lee (or, to be fair, Tina Turner, whose singing and dancing were electrifying; her turn as the Acid Queen in the film, Tommy, scared grown men). I have the prejudice of equating athletic prowess with intensity. I have a strong personal connection to that world. There was a world record-setting long-distance runner named Henry Rono in the 80s. Someone once asked him, โ€œWho could beat you?โ€ He replied, โ€œI wonโ€™t have to see him run. I have to talk with him. If heโ€™s more intense than me [sic], he will beat me.โ€

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Yes, Keen was darn good in Logan, but if we're talking about a major role in the "Pirates" franchise, her inadequacy in "His Dark Materials" worries me more than her good work in "Logan" impresses me. The Lyra of the books is clever and unpredictable, always surprising the reader with some smart off-the-wall solution to whatever problem she faces at the moment*, and that's the sort of thing a Pirate in the Pirates franchise should be doing. And she didn't do it in "HDM", although of course the final script didn't give her much of a chance.

And in general, intensity doesn't always impress me, plenty of bad actors can be extremely intense. Look at the worst films of Nicholas Cage, if you dare! Over the top intensity does give him a certain kind of charisma, although of course it's far from the sort of uniquely awesome charisma that Bruce Lee had, which IMHO didn't so much spring from his physical prowess as his knowledge that his physical prowess was THE BEST. People who know they're THE BEST have a charisma that doesn't spring from anything physical, it's more to do with self-confidence, not that I'd know how to define it exactly as I don't have that kind of confidence or charisma (ask Tina Turner how it works). So while I do appreciate physical prowess, although probably not as much as you do, I just don't think it's enough to qualify an actor for roles that require more.


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* Dark city at night:

Creepy guy: So, little girl, what are you doing out all by yourself?
Lyra: Oh, I'm waiting for my father. He's a murderer.

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To me, Nick Cage looks more constipated than he does intense, but I see your point!

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William Shatner can also be VERY intense!

But I also see your point, there is a certain physican intensity that's very compelling. Jackie Chan had it, even the workout montages from his martial arts movies are overwhelming.

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Shatner sometimes looked like his forehead was a hot plate!

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Shatner was at his worst when he tried to be intense! When he relaxes he can be fun, but no discussion of good vs. bad intensity is complete without bringing him into the game.

Because there certainly is good intensity, but IMHO charisma isn't dependent on it. I just brought up Helen Mirren on another thread, she's an actor who is so damn good that she can take the worst script ever written and make her scenes in it fun (seriously, that is exactly what she did in "RED 2"). And she's definitely charismatic, but she's hardly ever intense.

PS: I am not immune to the appeal of physical skill and the magnetism of top skills on display, but I probably don't get it the way you do.

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Article I just read yesterday suggested Karen Gillan could be up for the role. Could be sexy as hell if they put her in a sexy pirate outfit.

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I just saw it, too.

This is what Redd wears. I don't think the intent is to be sexy...

https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Redd

https://thedisneyland.fandom.com/wiki/Redd

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Certainly the outfit wouldn't be blatantly sexy on Gillan, it wouldn't do much for someone with her build.

But she's not a bad choice for the Pirates universe, after seeing years of her on "Doctor Who" I think she can play things a bit broadly and deadpan, as a Pirates actor should.

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I THOUGHT JOHNNY DEPP WAS ALREADY PLAYING A FEMALE PIRATE...

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pirate hooker?!?

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