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G R R Martin - "Bittersweet ending"??


This is what Martin supposedly teased about the series 8 finale, hinting at a pyrrhric victory? What could he mean?

That the Wight walkers will destroy most of North and Westeros- as they did thousands of years before?

That Cersei and the Wights will both be beaten, but that Jon Snow ends up being a wight/Night king?

That Daenaerys dies along with her dragons?

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A brief google shows a Time article that seemed a tad 'hopeful' for a happy ending...Reddit was a typical circle jerk of silly theories and snarky remarks (ie a pretty fun read lol) and other links were just clip-baiting stuff...
I dont know...but i think most of the fan faves die beating the WW's back for another thousand years and we're left with a couple of houses to go about business as usual for Westeros (you know...murders, incest, plotting, wars, human scaled horrors...)
'If were hoping for a happy ending we have not been paying attention'

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Now we know that JS is really the son of R (which I had said to my g'friend for ages) could this change the whole structure, or magic of the story? Will it weaken the dragons?

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Lol, I know you're trying to avoid spoilers but come on man... anybody who reads that is going to know exactly who you're talking about. If you really want to avoid spoilers, you shouldn't post that at all.

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No i doubt it
I feel like most have suspected that development for some time

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im guessing the ending of the books is very different from the show.

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Yeah i suppose they have to be
Some dead peeps are still alive in the books, conditions are different...i really wish the guy would hurry up with it but thats not the most original statement about GRRM
Kinda frustrated tbh...

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I think the prince who was promised will be Jon and Dany's future son, no matter what happens to either of them.

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I would be truly shocked if there was an "and they all lived happily ever after" kind of ending to this show. They'll undoubtedly stop the destruction of everything, but at great cost to the characters we've come to know and love. The only real question is exactly what those costs turn out to be.

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Let's play a little game! What would be the endings that have the most bitterness, and also the most sweetness for the remaining somewhat relatable characters?

Jaime realizes he needs to kill Cersei to prevent more mass exterminations, and and with her he also kills his unborn child. He is redeemed as a two-time regent slayer, people realizing he is a true hero of Westeros. But he is also a guy who spent his whole life in bed with his sister, and he's the killer of his life's only real love.

The Hound and Beric destroy the Mountain, fulfilling their destinies, but are mortally wounded as well. They think they have done a great service, but see that the destruction of the Mountain becomes the catalyst for some genocidal plan from Cersei.

Jon and Dany ride into battle with the Night King. Jon and both Rhaegon die along with NK and Viserion, ridding the world of the two supernatural menaces, but Dany survives and gives birth to the undisputed ruler of Westeros. But there are already hints that others have designs for his death and the Iron Throne.

Arya or Sansa turns into a wight, and the other must destroy her. The survivor becomes Wadren of the North, which is now a barren wasteland in the wake of the undead army.

Bran realizes that the Three Eyed Raven observes but doesn't really change anything. Everything happening is the result of the capricious whims of the Lord of Light and The Seven, who are only interested in destroying each other, and actually have no interest at all in the well being of humans.

Jorah is rejected by Dany in favor of Jon, and is turned away from his home by Lady Mormont. He dies heroically for Dany but nobody ever knows, and he is remembered only for bringing shame to his name.

Sam provides the keys to defeating the NIght King, but loses Gilly and the baby to the white walkers, bitterly returning to Old Town to write A Song of Ice and Fire.




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