"All the lives he ruined"???
Um exactly whose life did Walt ruin who didn't deserve it? Because if memory serves me correctly the only person who hurt innocent people was Hank.
"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine
Um exactly whose life did Walt ruin who didn't deserve it? Because if memory serves me correctly the only person who hurt innocent people was Hank.
"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine
You can stop with the Walt apologist act, because Walt clearly ruined the lives of quite a lot of people. Andrea. Brock. Jane. Everyone on Wayfarer 515. Hank. Mike. Gus. Gale. All for the sake of his ego...
shareAndrea and Brock were Jesse's fault, he shouldn't have tried to escape
Jane was her own fault, she shouldn't have done heroin
Everyone on the plane was Jane and Donald's fault
Hank destroyed his own life when he attempted to put his own niece and nephew into the poor house
Mike, Gus and Gale were all willing participants in the meth business, they deserved what they got.
"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine
Again, I see no point in reasoning with you, since you act like you're some sort of mafioso tough guy. You think Walt's a saint who can do no wrong, huh?
He poisoned Brock, and he worked with the guys who killed Andrea.
Jane was her own fault, she shouldn't have done heroin
Everyone on the plane was Jane and Donald's fault
Hank destroyed his own life when he attempted to put his own niece and nephew into the poor house
What bothers me how people act like Walt is responsible for the deaths of the people on the plane crash. Yes, obviously he inadvertently caused the chain reaction that resulted in the deaths of those people onboard. Agreed. But I dont think that makes him responsible, there's no way he could have possibly predicted the horrific outcome that not saving her life would cause.
While yes, him not stopping janes death was the cause of what would eventually be the deaths of 167 people, it was still her father who was clearly mentally unstable (deservedly so) and made those planes crash. Her father was responsible for that, not Walt. And the airlines at fault for letting a man in his state do it.
Walt may have been the cause of the chain reaction, but janes father was responsible for those deaths, imo.
While yes, him not stopping janes death was the cause of what would eventually be the deaths of 167 people, it was still her father who was clearly mentally unstable (deservedly so) and made those planes crash. Her father was responsible for that, not Walt. And the airlines at fault for letting a man in his state do it.
Jane is responsible, if she hadn't broken the law by shooting heroin then those people would still be alive. The blame falls on Jane because her slutty, junkie behavior lead to the deaths of all the people on the planes.
"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine
Okay for Mike and Gus but Gale?? Really? He seemed to me like the only reasonable person in the whole operation. He didn't come up as an arrogant twat with a huge ego like Walt and Gus. He seemed to be doing this for the simple reason that it was the most profitable way (financially speaking) to practice his specialization which was chemistry.
shareHe even remotely ruined the life of his wife and kids. How are they supposed to live normal lives after all the mess Walt created. I say this but I absolutely hated Skyler even though I know that in the end... She was right. She just didn't have to be an arrogant bitch about it and... She was.
shareHe ruined the janitor life also when he got the janitor arrested
shareHow about his own wife and children if the other people don't do it for ya? He ruined them! They didn't deserve it.
shareThat was Hank, if Hank had just let things be when he found the book then everything would have worked out perfectly for the family. Walt was out of the business, all he wanted to do was run his car wash but Hank just couldn't let that happen because he was a greedy scumbag.
"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine
Hank knew that Walt was involved in the events caused him to get shot and almost a paraplegic. He knew that Walt had endangered everyone in his family. He knew that Walt detonated a bomb in a nursing home. He knew Walt had mass-murdered inmates to keep them quiet. He knew that Walt had made him look a fool and screwed his career. On and on and on.
That was Hank, if Hank had just let things be when he found the book then everything would have worked out perfectly for the family. Walt was out of the business, all he wanted to do was run his car wash but Hank just couldn't let that happen because he was a greedy scumbag.
Well here again, I can't totally agree with this neither. Yeah sure Walt was ready to do and say any lies to protect his interests, and yes he was a monster and a total scumbag who deserved everything bad that could have happened to him. But go as far as to blame him from covering the thruth? Being dishonest was the only way for him to stay a free man and be there for his family. If he would have told the thruth, he would have definitely gone to jail. Did his lies cause damages to Hank and his whole family? Yes. Was he really such a disrespectful asshole? The fact that he was ready to give 80 millions just to save him shows otherwise. No matter all the evil things Walt did throughout the show, he always kept his principles about this "family is off limits" mindset.
You are right though that there was no way in which Hank could have helped Walt without things getting even worse than they already were. Walt deserved to be arrested or killed. But I wouldn't go as far as to say that Walt is the lone responsible for all the mess that occurred. He of course started it, but the impulsive and uni-dimensional way s the other characters reacted throughout the show contributed to the downfall as well.
For instance, if instead of kicking Walt outside of the house for no apparent reason (Walt and Skyler both knew the reason, but how were the others supposed to react?) she would have JUST taken the time to listen and try to make a compromise with him, maybe it wouldn't have created so much tension and so many unanswered questions between the characters. I mean, she later herself accepted it as an easy way to make a lot of money and helped him clear his money. Way to be an hypocrite. So was it really necessary to be a total bitch about it and make everyone wonder what the fuck is going on? I was surprised that Hank needed to find Walt's book to start to even suspect him. It seems to me that her drowning "attempt" and her sending her kids to their house for 3 months was fishy.
"Walt was out of the business, all he wanted to do was run his car wash but Hank just couldn't let that happen because he was a greedy scumbag."
Well, in a way I agree with this, but I would shade here. He couldn't just close the investigation because Walt was family. He didn't have to treat him with so much hatred and should have AT LEAST taken the time to listen to Walt. But in another way, you don't just ignore all the mess Walt created because he is "family".
Bottom line, yes Hank totally fucked everything up by always being too full of himself and by doing so, caused his own death. But in another way, he was doing his job. In this line of work, you need to learn to be impartial. Hank wasn't impartial all the time of course, but he was about the fact that Walt is his family.
Walt was guilty, and deserved to serve some time. Hank's asshole behaviour pushed me to hate him and to not feel bad for him when he died, though.
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She helped him, she was a willing accomplice...she could have left him anytime, or gone to the police.
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EXACTLY !!!!
shareThe truth is Walt didn't hurt anyone who didn't deserve it. Hank was just bitter because Walt was more of a man than he was. Watching him get his ass owned by Jack and the Nazis was so satisfying and it meant a lot to me. F-cking pig deserved to die, painfully.
"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine
Wow seems like you missed the whole point of Breaking Bad buddy. It really is true what they say about you Hippo you are an ignorant one. Walt was a despicable character even the writer of the show hated his character by the end of the show's run.
shareHippos just keeping it real and saying what he thinks, this is the place to do that after all. He just really really realllly hates hank, and dont even get him started on Jesse lol
Scary thing is he thinks all of Walt's actions are justified. Do I understand why Walt did the things he did? Yes I understand it but do I condone his actions? Absolutely not!
shareWell, Hippo clearly thinks he's some kind of mafioso tough guy. So there's that. But yeah, clearly something's wrong with him.
shareAnd here I am hating Hank, Jesse AND Walt.
shareNo, Walt is the hero, he did what was right for other people even when they didn't appreciate him. Hank was an absolute scumbag monster. He only cared about himself and was even willing to harm innocent children so he could get his promotion. I was glad that he died but I have said this for a while Uncle Jack was WAY TOO EASY on him. First of all I would have bust out a can of salt and poured the entire thing in his wound, then busted out some jumper cables and had some fun with his nipples and testicles. I'd laugh and tease him the entire time, "oh what's the matter Mr. Tough Guy? Do you feel a little sting there big boy?, awww does it hurt?", LOL. Then after he begs me to kill him I'd slice his nuts off, force him to eat them then douse him in gasoline and light him up. It would be so much fun.
"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine
What about Jesse? What would you have done to him if you were uncle jack?
shareLet's stay on topic.
"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine
Lol sorry buddy
You're right though...hank was a piece of sh!t. I used to be pulling for him a bit until rabid dog when he (spoilers) was willing to let Jesse get killed when he sent Jesse to meet him in the plaza. He did some slimeball stuff before in the way he dealt with criminals, but him hoping that Jesse would possibly get killed meeting Walt just so he could get it on camera made me really hate him.
However, I was never rooting for hank to get Walt. I was team Walt all the way to the end. Any love I had for hank was officially gone after that move.
I didn't mind Hank actually until what he did to Mike's granddaughter.
"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine
No, Walt is the hero, he did what was right for other people even when they didn't appreciate him.
Hank was an absolute scumbag monster. He only cared about himself and was even willing to harm innocent children so he could get his promotion.
I was glad that he died but I have said this for a while Uncle Jack was WAY TOO EASY on him. First of all I would have bust out a can of salt and poured the entire thing in his wound, then busted out some jumper cables and had some fun with his nipples and testicles. I'd laugh and tease him the entire time, "oh what's the matter Mr. Tough Guy? Do you feel a little sting there big boy?, awww does it hurt?", LOL. Then after he begs me to kill him I'd slice his nuts off, force him to eat them then douse him in gasoline and light him up. It would be so much fun.
Walt was never doing it to satisfy his own ego he was doing it to make sure that his family had the money that they needed after he was gone. He never intended to use the money for himself he was always thinking of his children and his bitch of a wife. He loved his family so much he was willing to put himself through hell all to make sure they were taken care of after he was gone, that shows how noble he was.
Hank absolutely did want a promotion, he wanted to walk into the DEA office and brag about how he was better than the great Heisenberg, well fortunately things didn't work out that way because Todd and Jack's army absolutely owned him like a bitch and gave him probably the most disgraceful death imaginable and it was amazing. The world is definitely a better place because that fat pig Hank Shrader is gone and not only that his self righteous, hypocritical bitch wife Marie has to live the rest of her life knowing that Walt was the better man. Now I understand being ambitious, I understand wanting to move up in the workplace but when you ruin the lives of innocent children to get there that is just plain evil. I have no problem with him wanting to bring Mike and Walt to justice for what they did but he was going to steal the inheritance of little children and leave them in the poorhouse all so he could rub it in the faces of Walt and Mike, that is pure evil. Walt risked his life on several occasions to save Hank, another act of nobility.
I was talking about Hank and yes he deserved to die the most painful death possible and I would have been there laughing and spitting on him as Hank cried and begged for death only to assure him that it wasn't going to happen for a very long time and that he was going to have to endure a lot more pain and suffering. After his fingers were cut off he would have begged to tell me everything, after his balls were cut off he'd kiss my ass to kill him.
"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine
Do you have some sort of Walt Worship Syndrome and that makes it hard for you to see anything outside of Walt's view?
Walt was never doing it to satisfy his own ego he was doing it to make sure that his family had the money that they needed after he was gone. He never intended to use the money for himself he was always thinking of his children and his bitch of a wife. He loved his family so much he was willing to put himself through hell all to make sure they were taken care of after he was gone, that shows how noble he was.
Hank absolutely did want a promotion, he wanted to walk into the DEA office and brag about how he was better than the great Heisenberg, well fortunately things didn't work out that way because Todd and Jack's army absolutely owned him like a bitch and gave him probably the most disgraceful death imaginable and it was amazing. The world is definitely a better place because that fat pig Hank Shrader is gone and not only that his self righteous, hypocritical bitch wife Marie has to live the rest of her life knowing that Walt was the better man. Now I understand being ambitious, I understand wanting to move up in the workplace but when you ruin the lives of innocent children to get there that is just plain evil. I have no problem with him wanting to bring Mike and Walt to justice for what they did but he was going to steal the inheritance of little children and leave them in the poorhouse all so he could rub it in the faces of Walt and Mike, that is pure evil. Walt risked his life on several occasions to save Hank, another act of nobility.
"Walt risked his life on several occasions to save Hank, another act of nobility."
"He's in fact, the monster, the cancer, if you will, that's destroying her and her family... We do not celebrate Walter White. He’s a creep, at this point...
"You can have a main character like Walter White or Tony Soprano or Don Draper, someone who does questionable things, but since they are the protagonist you can't help but see the world of the show more or less through their eyes. Sometimes I liken it almost to a Stockholm Syndrome, where you as the viewer start to see things as they do, which is a danger when you're talking about a guy as warped as Walter White."
Ozymandias
Hank Schrader: [to Walt, as Jack has a gun pointed at him] You're the smartest guy I ever met... but you're too stupid to see... He made up his mind ten minutes ago.
Ozymandias
Hank Schrader: My name is ASAC Schrader and you can go *beep* yourself.
Felina
Skyler White: If I have to hear one more time that you did this for the family...
Walter White: I did it for me. I liked it. I was good at it. And... I was really... I was alive.
In fact, I have a name for people like you: "Keyboard Heisenbergs". They are people who idolize criminal characters and want Breaking Bad to resemble a Grand Theft Auto game. They are naïve to the ways of the world, speak in criminal speak, utilize words like "snitch", "rat" and "pig" as if they are casual words that they use all the time, they all 100% support Walt in his actions and believe him to be a saint, and probably say things like "I am the one who knocks" and "Say my name" to their own reflection in the mirror to sound like a tough guy.
share"Especially so as Hank was having Walt drive him around, including to some of his stakeouts. All that time, Walt knew everything and just lied straight to Hank's face."
Not to defend the other moron but... What exactly did you want him to do? Hank kinda put Walt in a situation where he had no other options then to lie. And Hank was insistent, so Walt wasn't going to simply say "listen dude your are completely off the fucking track, I am Heisenberg".
You are beyond pathetic. It's not even funny.
share"I was glad that he died but I have said this for a while Uncle Jack was WAY TOO EASY on him. First of all I would have bust out a can of salt and poured the entire thing in his wound, then busted out some jumper cables and had some fun with his nipples and testicles. I'd laugh and tease him the entire time, "oh what's the matter Mr. Tough Guy? Do you feel a little sting there big boy?, awww does it hurt?", LOL. Then after he begs me to kill him I'd slice his nuts off, force him to eat them then douse him in gasoline and light him up. It would be so much fun"
Funny because I feel like Jack and his gang would have deserved this. Also, go to see a therapist.
"He's in fact, the monster, the cancer, if you will, that's destroying her and her family... We do not celebrate Walter White. He’s a creep, at this point...share
"You can have a main character like Walter White or Tony Soprano or Don Draper, someone who does questionable things, but since they are the protagonist you can't help but see the world of the show more or less through their eyes. Sometimes I liken it almost to a Stockholm Syndrome, where you as the viewer start to see things as they do, which is a danger when you're talking about a guy as warped as Walter White."
"Because if memory serves me correctly the only person who hurt innocent people was Hank."
Are you fucking kidding me?? Of course Gus, Salamanca and Jack's gang were angels who never hurt innocent people. Okay in Gus' case we can argue that Victor was a despicable criminal as well but the way and the reason he killed him, fucking psycho. We might have not seen it on screen but I am more than sure that a druglord hurt a LOT of innocent people, directly or indirectly, by himself or by asking other people to do it. As for Salamanca (if you argue that Max wasn't innocent because he was trying to start a business by manufacturing/selling meth, I would respect your opinion but without agreeing... At the point he obviously didn't do anything harmful to anyone yet), Jack and his despising gang, we see it on screen.
Jane? He ruined Jane's life?
Okay people, this is very simple. There shouldn't be any reason to confuse the two but for some reason, people are confused...
Murder: I take a knife. Stab a man. Cause and effect. I am the creator of his death. Direct link. Murder.
Letting die: The cause that leads to death is not initiated by me. I can stop it, but I don't. I am not responsible for the death. Someone else is.
Murder and letting someone die are vastly different beasts. No reason to confuse the two. The person who killed Jane was Jane. That is all.
What about the INNOCENT CHILDREN sold Walt's crystal meth in OUR FINE SCHOOLS TODAY??
Their crack pipes are on his hands...
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He didn't ruin Jane's life, she chose to shoot heroin so therefore all of the blame lies with her. The kids chose to do crystal meth, Walt didn't force them to so ultimately the blame lies with them. All Walt wanted was to make sure his family had the money they needed after he was gone.
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