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feels like the producers are more interested in set design over plot


The sets are amazing and I'm ready to book a flight to Singapore..but damn if this 3rd episode was slow and dragging. Get on with the revolution but every Host awakening to their former self is beating the same drum.

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It's molasses. Only way I can tolerate is in a background window while multitasking. Otherwise it'd put me to sleep.

Only the Jesse Pinkman storyline is remotely interesting. Do we really need half a show of melancholic Charlotte scenes trying to figure out who she is?

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oh brother that Charlotte Hale character does my head in. Bland AF. The only actors who lifted me out of boredom in this series is Thandie Newton (Maeve) and Anthonh Hopkins and the actor who portrayed the Native American Indian who an episode was centered around in S2. They need him back in there. The problem with this slow show is you need complelling actors who can make you feel something with there monologue. If the revolution is the central point now then bring it on..We don't need to keep seeing each new Host figure out who they are. Move the plot along.

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The show seems to be trying way too hard to be complex. We get it. The show has depth. But ease up. I don't need to be taking notes just to watch a tv show.

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What do you not understand? This season has been pretty straightforward.

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It just feels like there are so many layers to everything. Every scene I watch feels like I have to look for secondary clues to understand what is REALLY going on. Is this real or is it a simulation? Is this character a real person or are they a host? Who is Serac? Where did he come from and what is he all about? I have no clue. To me it feels like there has been no continuation from last season and we are watching a brand new show which only adds to more and more questions of what the hell we are even watching.

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I think we are supposed to be in the dark about the things you mentioned. We are watching the mystery unfold alongside Delores. Unlike in previous seasons though, I don't think they are doing any misdirecting. I expect it will all come together in the end.

I definitely feel the connection to previous seasons though. The previous seasons were act 1, and now we're in act 2. Everything that came before has set up the foundation from where we are now.

Westworld certainly demands more of your attention than the average show. But, I think that's a good thing and is one of its greatest strengths. I don't see it as trying to hard, or a show where you actually have to take notes. If you pay attention, similar to reading a book, you will be rewarded for your engagement.

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I guess we'll see. I'll see it through to the end of the season and hope things come together and make sense. I just hope this isn't another show that gets to full of itself and makes things overly complicated for the sake of it. I've seen that too many times with shows.

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judging by its continued drop in ratings, I think there'll be only 1 more season after this.

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As a premium channel, HBO isn't beholden to ratings the same way a network show is. As long as whatever metrics they use show that they can attract and retain subscribers, they'll keep the show. There's also, less tangible, reasons why they would. There's the caché factor for having such a well regarded and prestige-type show. Also, they would want to maintain a positive relationship with Jonathan Nolan and Lisa Joy who are hot commodities.

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It's true that they don't mean as much as they once did but they're hardly irrelevant. Sunday night primetime is still an appointment tv night. That's why these major shows first air at the time rather than any ole time. When you consider that most people are at home watching more than ever (due to the virus), it's a bad sign. And HBO has an interesting way of dismissing ratings -- based on your argument -- when they're low, but touting them when they're high. It's hard for an expensive show with a lower total viewership (including more and more delayed viewing across all platforms) to remain afloat. HBO still needs a home run, flagship show, but this one hasn't become what they had hoped for.

And as you may or may not know, Nolan and Joy have signed a deal with Amazon. If anything that hurts Westworld's chances of an extended run even more. With their new show being greenlit back in November, they might want to focus their effort on the new while closing out the old. Their comments suggest Amazon is a more fertile place for them to create what they want.

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Unlike in previous seasons though, I don't think they are doing any misdirecting.

We already don't trust the narrative as the first 2 seasons made it a point to misdirect us by showing 2 plot lines that were years apart as a trick to make us thinkj it was one main contigious story. If we didnt take notes last season then were lost this season. My questions are

The CEO lady a machine imposter but who's brain is playing her I forget and am not even interested in reviewing season 2 to figure that out. I already forgot benards main story line I know he has 2 two personalities in this season where each one is vying for control. Of course your response is that im not paying attention but that s kind of the problem with this show. Every ones memories and identities are mixed up now and have no meaning. IE you don't know who's really in who's head cause the show treats people's personalities like movable software and we don't know anyones motivations either cause the show even know is playing with determinism vs freewill in that at any point of the show some one can throw an internnal switch in their head and their motives can be changed as if their original motives were simply emulated and not their real motives.

IE I know longer really care about the machines motives personalities anymore cause the show made them so meaningless. In st4ead I'm watching the show to learn if this 3rd party that is taking over the delos corp is AI or human. All hints seem to indicate that its an AI as they can seem to pin serac to a real person and this person some how did a bunch of microtransactions to by the company as several smaller companies then unified toi take ove r 38%. We have had at least 3 misdrects trying to tease us that there is another virtual world in a virtual world going on. The druggie mentions a nested simulation at the party when high. We;ve aklready seen tthat CEO lady break out of warworld only to realize she's in a nested simulation world.

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then to break out of her own simulation with a droid carrying her brain. What I don't get is why we are supposed to assume she's in the real world now as her droid never got away and was gun downed. And now delores is telling this suicidal person the system knows enough about him and every one that the system can build a mirror world (Sounds like another virtual world nest to me), I know that at the end of the show this would be to lame of a plot so why does the show keep teasing us with this?

And what happened to benard. Last we saw he went back to west world and dissapeared for episode 3. We are trying to pay attention to the show but its dragging.

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Yes it feels like the show is throwing a lot of red herrings at us. Its even starting to hint at the real world could be a double nested virtual reality which I'm gonna be real disapointed if thats the case, but I keep thinking this is a red herring as a nested dream in a dream is too lame to be the overarching plot point.

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The MAIN thing to NOTE is how when YOUNG WILLIAM and LOGAN first arrived on the SLEEK WHITE TRAIN he was also SLEEPING at the time. And he had an empty drink glass sitting beside him that the waitress picks up.

And the first GLIMPSE we get of him also looks like he's INSIDE of a COFFIN (because what we see is his REFLECTION from the WINDOW of the TRAIN).

Then when they EXIT from the MODERN WHITE TRAIN we also see the HOST are all DRESSED in WHITE and the GUEST are all DRESSED in DARK or BLACK colors.

So WHY is that??? People don't usually chose to dress all the same way which also seems to indicate that even WILLIAM and LOGAN are in a LOOP.

And then WILLIAM is taken to a place where he choses the WHITE COWBOY HAT (because he's going to play the part of being the GOOD GUY in WESTWORLD) and LOGAN chose the BLACK HAT.

So my theory is since there are no ELEPHANTS anymore, and we also have FAKE HORSES, and BUFFALOS and BUZZARDS, what that probably means is there aren't any HUMANS left either (just FAKE ONES like the rest of the ANIMALS).

And since STUBBS was also hell bent on KILLING HIMSELF once he didn't have a JOB anymore to PROTECT someone, one also suspects that's why many of these CREATIONS don't realize what they are (because then they might also chose to KILL THEMSELVES like STUBBS kept trying to do).

And since SEREC is also wearing WHITE when we meet him, I also like to call him THE MAN in WHITE (which makes him a COUNTER POINT to the MAN in BLACK who we also see DRESSED in WHITE now in the PREVIEW clips).



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One thing that gets on my nerve is the constant "loud whispering", like a soap opera trying to be dramatic.

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