They were bi not gay


Seeing how they had sexual relations with other women and loving it.
Their wives and girlfriends were more than just a beard for them.

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Most folks you breeders call "gay" are actually bi. It's more a catch-all term.

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Besser bi als nie. 😬​

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Das funktioniert in beide Richtungen.đŸ€Ł

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Hmmm, I've to think about that one.
Is there a direction "Richtung" to bi? đŸ€”â€‹
It's definitely not a one-way street. â˜ș

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Hell if I know. I used a translator.

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"Das funktioniert in beide Richtungen." = That works in both directions.

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Okay, I'm never sure if these translators convey the actual meaning.

I believe everyone is born bisexual. You choose a direction based upon your life experience. I don't think sexuality is set in stone at birth.

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Translators are helpful, but betimes the result is almost the opposite of what you intended to say.

However, I would like to continue our little discussion about sexual orientation, but not with that OP.
Wouldn't you like to start a new OP?...for example:
Can you choose your sexual orientation?
I'm not motivated to host a new OP and need to admit that my OPs rarely were 'successful'. 😳​

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Okay, I can do that. Give me some time to formulate a plan of attack!

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That was meant as a start for a reasonable discussion.
Not a "plan of attack". 😈​

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I'm joking. But I've posted such topics before and the gays and liberals start foaming at the mouth.

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Just so you know that since I never had kids, and never will, I am not at all offended by the term of "breeder" to describe us straights.
Actually I agree with it since I am against overpopulating the earth and have concerns for that.

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"I never had kids, and never will,"

That's a relief. 🌞​

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The term "breeder" is just political commentary on privilege given to heterosexuals. It's not a slur.

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"Breeder" is a slur.
But go ahead. 🍿​

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Okay, it's a slur. đŸ€Ł

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That's a very privileged take. It sounds insulting to me, and I am one of the folks encompassed by the term (the large majority of the human population). Every 'non-breeder' is, as it happens, the offspring of two such individuals.

Who gets to decide what is a slur and what is not ?

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We use the term with a bit of sarcasm. Do you know how many times I've been called a second class citizen because I don't reproduce? Heterosexuals often believe they have a sense of entitlement based on the fact they spit out offspring. And these are often people who abuse their children or deadbeat dads who don't support their children by multiple women.

The issue is, does reproduction give you automatic entitlement? Many straight people seem to believe so.

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gameboy?

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The one and only. Do I know you from elsewhere?

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Yah, you know that person from Filmboards. 👋​

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I think Blade was on v2. Filmboards never had as much traffic as v2 and MovieChat.

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That's an immanent logic there..."traffic". đŸ˜”â€đŸ’«â€‹
Was that Blade1-12? â˜ș

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I was briefly on the two IMDB boards that came after the official IMDB closed down. I had the same name there. We may have interacted a few times but I remember you using the term breeder.

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Okay, I remember you. There was a Blade on IMDb Soapbox years ago but I remember I confirmed with you before and you're not her.🙂

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Ahhh...if you often used "breeder" then you're also ToastedCheese. 🧀​

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Toasty got it from me actually. And he got the term Homo Superior as well from me. đŸ€Ł

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is toastedcheese still around? That was one angry little guy.

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AND?

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I didn't get the impression that they loved their wives or girlfriends. That to me was one of the key parts of this film. The suffering of those poor women. Because society didn't allow men to be out and homosexual, they had to marry women that they didn't love and those women were stuck with men who didn't desire them. Not allowing these men to be themselves not only fucked 'them' over, it fucked their WIVES over too.

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That can go the other way too since there are gold digging wives.

The marriage of Jake's character was more out of convenience with running a tractor business.
There was no love lost between those two.

Yeah, LDRs are tough for straights.
It really made it even harder for those guys!
Oh well.
That was their problem.

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The marriage of Jake's character was more out of convenience with running a tractor business.
There was no love lost between those two.


The point I was making is that Jake wouldn't have married her if the society he was a part of permitted him to be out of the closet. That was a major plot point of the movie in my opinion. I don't know why you think they were bisexual but even if they were, why does it matter?

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Well said, though I’d argue there was some level of love; not the passionate, can’t-live-without type of IN LOVE, but to start a relationship and family leads me think there was something even though these beautiful women weren’t these cowboys’ preferred paramours.

That to me was one of the key parts of this film. The suffering of those poor women.


Agreed, and though the cowboys were the stars of this flick, my only critique is that I’d would’ve like to have seen more of the wives’ struggle with the lack of marital affection from their husbands.

We learn Williams’ character knows of her husbands’ proclivities; but if I recall correctly , Hathaway doesn’t know about her husband , not even sure if the film left it ambiguous— I think she just doesn’t know. Williams’ struggles are a product of knowing the situation by way of witnessing an incident while Hathaway probably believes she may be inadequate, no longer attractive to him or just doesn’t care. The marriage did seem like one of convenience with the tractor business and all. Good character study stuff here.

—still miffed “Crash” won best pic over this. For me, Crash wasnt even top five out of the nominees that season
.but what the hell do I know
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Cheers


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đŸ»â€‹

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"Hathaway probably believes she may be inadequate, no longer attractive to him or just doesn’t care."

She was very cold and aloof and matter of fact when talking about her husband's death to Ennis on the phone.
She did not seem to be in any grief or sadness about it.

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Which makes me think she just didn’t care , just as much as he didn’t care
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I think you are right about there being measure of love between them. One of my complaints about the English language is the use of only one word for love. The Greeks had many different words for the love you experience for your friends, for yourself, for God, for children, etc. Just living with someone and sharing that much of your life experiences and having children together would create a bond.

There was so much great character study in this, it is frustrating when people who have never watched it or had the slightest clue what this film was trying to communicate, use it as a joke or something to snicker at. I feel so much second hand embarrassment for these people.

I didn't even know that they were up against Crash, I usually don't pay attention to the Oscars because they completely ignore low budget films, which can be amazing because they are often passion projects and quite meaningful.

Cheers!

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