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Virus premise doesn't gel


So they live underground because outside, all over the world, there's this virus. Who kills people (but nothing else).
So, wouldn't it need people to propagate otherwise disappear itself?
Like ebola, very deadly viruses have trouble propagating because they kill all their hosts quickly, not giving them time to spread it.
This shit that's around now is a pain in the ass because it's not super deadly, so it spreads.
In this movie it's clear they have something that kills a lot and quite quickly.
But even if it didn't, after I don't know how many years of quarantine, it surely would be gone in the outside world, because it wouldn't have any host to live in.
Am I missing something or this virus premise doesn't gel?

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that's the thing you worry about? probably the most plausible thing in this movie, I very much so like. Just rewatched it after so many years/lustrums.
It's a well-worrying and common thing in animal agriculture. That's why the Wuhan wet-market wasn't as implausible at first cause these wet-markets supposedly sell any meat they find in the bush. In the west, when you hunt game, you must send meat probes to a lab before being allowed to process/consume it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoonosis
"A zoonosis (plural zoonoses, or zoonotic diseases) is an infectious disease caused by a pathogen (an infectious agent, such as a bacterium, virus, parasite or prion) that has jumped from an animal (usually a vertebrate) to a human.[1][2][3] Typically, the first infected human transmits the infectious agent to at least one other human, who, in turn, infects others."
Also one of the main arguments vegans use to wean off people off a meat diet.

It's a shame they "ruined" the movie with the premise. Then again this was the 90s, shit like that didn't matter. God I miss that decade.

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In the future, they're able to invent time travel, but they can't treat/cure/vaccinate against a virus.

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Yes that part is ok, it is the virus mechanics that don't gel.

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Maybe it's because there are a bunch of future people still going outside without HAZMAT suits on going, "It's all a bunch of fake news by our time-travelling overlords! There's no 12 Monkeys virus! Psh! I'm goin' outside!"

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Come on! That would make for some incredibly shitty writing in a pre social media world.
Imagine 1996 if you ended this movie with the chief scientist on the plane, sitting next to that asshole with he original strain of virus, smiling, then cut to 1 year later: nothing has changed from the dystopia, because a bunch of morons did not want to take the vaccine....who would believe such bullshit?

Even more incredible is, we live in such a shittily written world.

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The writing might be shitty, but I don't want to turn off the set.

Can we change the channel?

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Unfortunately, we cannot even get a commercial break from this crap.

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"Real life, brought to you by Thermodynamics. Don't trust other natural laws, stick with Thermodynamics (tm; all licences reserved."

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As my nickname implies, I cannot agree with that misleading ad.
Quantum mechanics is the way to go, everybody knows. Ask the cat.

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Please. The cat just wants to play with a ball of string theory.

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That is the closest description of God I have heard in a while.

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But if it's Schrodinger's Cat then it both is and isn't God until we find it.

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Again, spot on.

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I can try to suggest a sociological reason for them staying underground. In modern life, we live with a false sense that technology and progress protect us from any disaster that, in the past, would have cost thousands or millions of victims. Death is not a daily presence in the 1990s as it was during the Middle Ages. In those times, corpses in the streets were a common sight, even when there was no plague. Modern man is unable to cope with such horror. In the movie, 5 billion people killed in one year, almost 99% of the world's population in 1997 (!!) - it's much worse than the Black Death.

We are talking about collective anxiety and cultural anxiety that is not likely to end in one generation. And this is even before we start dealing with the loss of millions of professional and expert personnel who could help society recover faster. On a psychological level, they would rather live underground at this stage, with all the lack of freedom and difficulties, than take the risk and return to the disaster area. The entire society is dealing with anxieties and PTSD. Regardless of the state of the virus as of 2035, it will take time for them to gather courage and return from quarantine.


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Well, ok, but that sounds like a M.N. Shyamalan script.
Twelve Monkeys certainly portrays a society on the edge, psychologically strained, but it never actually goes the route of "maybe the people that knows best have it all wrong".
The scientists, even if they look freaky and if Cole starts loosing it, are on top of things, they have a real problem to deal with (a real nasty virus) and a solution for it (time travel).

So, while your idea is interesting, I don't think it applies to what we are told by TM.

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I brought a scenario that seems appropriate for a similar situation in the real world. Not necessarily based on the social reality in the film. True, the theme of "maybe the people that knows best have it all wrong" is not dominant, but I don't think that it rules out the possibility that they were being extra careful.

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It's funny you chose that as unbelievable and not the time travel part.

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How so?
The time travel is portrayed as something that they are barely able to do, and it's never explained in great detail.
It's coherent with what we see. It's in the plot but it's not the focal point.
The virus is its main premise.
It should make sense, but it does not.

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