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Where as in reality, the longer the war rages on, the more political it would get.
Whole plants and solar systems would probably change sides, so yes, Stormtroopers may go over to other side as would rebel forces.
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The "Clone Wars" TV series had a runaway stormtrooper as a character.
Maybe more than one, I only watched sporadically.
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No, because they were clones programmed for obedience.
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Actually, I don't believe anyone ever said whether they were clones during the OT era.
Okay, they were clones in the prequels, and non-clones trained from infancy in the Disney films. But nobody ever said one way or another during the OT films, but I'd guess they weren't clones at that point because they weren't all the exact same height.
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Confirmed where?
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But nothing from Lucas himself, or in the official canon?
Okay, I've already said I incline towards not-clones, but I'm also a nitpicker when it comes to canon vs. fanon.
The Thrawn Trilogy was canon until Disney ripped out their guys and stomped them into a mudhole. Han shooting first was canon until Lucas ripped his guys out and stomped them into a mudhole. You can't be too nitpicky on what is or isn't canon in SW, because next week, it will change!
shareThe fan-fiction books were never canon, they were, well, fan fiction! And the Thrawn books weren't even good fan fiction.
If you prefer them to the Disney films fine, but that doesn't make them an official part of George Lucas's story.
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Agreed. The term "fan fiction" is defined as a hobby activity, not officially licensed work done for pay. It has nothing to do with quality.
shareThe Trekkies have always had a better grasp of the book issue. They know there is fan fiction, then there's fan fiction writers who made good and got their stuff officially published, and then there's canon.
The same goes for Star Wars. The books weren't telling the story Lucas wanted to tell, Lucas accepted money from them and let them tell a story he couldn't be arsed to write himself, even if their stuff contradicted his own work. Remember how the books had Luke married off long before anyone realized that the Jedi were supposed to be celibate? Sure, love the books if you love them and prefer them to the new movies if you like them better, but that doesn't make them canon.
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The Thrawn books were officially canon until April 2014. I never said they were better than the Disney movies, I'm just saying what is now canon isn't necessarily written in stone. 5 years from now, A New Hope re-edit might come out that adds a Jar Jar cameo. Never say never.
shareThey were clones in the Thrawn Trilogy, and it shocked Luke to find that out. He sensed it through the force when he first encountered them. That implied they weren't that way when he encountered stormtroopers 5 years previously in the OT.
shareBiggs Darklighter and even Luke Skywalker's original plan - go to the Imperial academy to get off Tatooine and away from their families. Learn to fly T fighters and then go AWOL and join the rebels.
Little bit entitled isn't it - you know get the Empire to pay for their escape route from their parents or guardians, play with the empires fancy toys and then stick two fingers up to them and run off an join the enemies of the people that paid for their training.
The Empire did have more competent leadership though. The Emperor, Vader and Tarken actually could hold things together unlike Emo boy and Hissy fit Bill Weasley.
Yeah, well, since when have the plans of teenaged boys ever been realistic, workable, or ethical?
Ehmmm Biggs did just that.
He went to the academy, he got training and then bolted and joined the rebels.
He wouldn't have been too much off the same age as Finn.
Says something about the empire when people use them for their training or as an escape route because they are bored and then they just run off.
Since the invention of armies, young men have used the military as an escape route from dull lives. They've joined up to get away from wherever they are and maybe to seek adventure, and for a lot of them that's as deep as their commitment to the official cause went, and well. That's one reason there have always been deserters and turncoats. So if people like Luke and Biggs are treating the imperial army that way, it's not necessarily an indictment of the empire.
Still, funny how Biggs had to go to the academy to learn how to fly an x-wing, and Luke didn't.
True but the OP seemed to imply that no soldier went AWOL from the empire unlike Finn doing so from the First order.
That isn't true, because Biggs did.
The Empire though didn't have a leadership that appeared to not to be able to stamp on any pissing contest that emerged within their high command. Vader would just force choke any git that started one.
And completely agree with you about how strange it was that Biggs needed to go to the academy and Luke didn't.
Personally I want the deleted scene where the Rebel deck officer gives Luke one - seriously how drunk would that guy have to be, especially on Biggs say so with the example that Luke's experience of shooting was basically equivalent of drunk teenagers going out and shooting vermin on the street.
Excellent point about Biggs! Yup, he deserted, even though he wasn't a stormtrooper.
And Frogarama, if the Rebels trusted Luke it was undoubtedly because Leia said to, and remember Leia had nascent Force abilities. My guess is that The Force gave her an unearthly ability to see through lies and bullshit, a vital talent for a politician.
Thanks for agreeing with me regarding Biggs.
Though I have to say about Leia's force powers being the reason that Luke was trusted. At this point in the saga Jedi Mind tricks were only said to have a strong influence on the WEAK minded. You'd think that someone on that flight deck including the droids would basically say 'Hold on a minute' when Luke is handed an X Wing just before a major battle with him admitting he has never been a pilot in a dog fight in his puff.
Like it or not Otter. Luke getting that X Wing in New Hope blows any complains about Rey out of the water.
Oh, I agree about the X-wing, and would like to point out that somehow Luke became a full-blown Jedi with about two days of official training!
The Rey-haters refuse to realize that they forgave the old films all their flaws, inconsistencies, and frank illogic, and that for whatever reasons they just aren't as forgiving towards the new films. So they nitpick over the scripts and agree that what they want to believe is somehow logical, and totally miss the heart of the problem with the new films. But like I said, everyone needs a hobby.
Oh I agree.
Any issues I have with the new films don't seem to link into what most people on this board complain about and think that there were moments that can become iconic like the original. Like the scene where Holdo goes to light speed.
There are many plot holes in the original films that people don't want to see and will hand wave thinking that they are doing some sort of mind trick that waves them away. But it doesn't
Absolutely, regarding Luke and wanting training, then being tossed into an Xwing by people who have never seen him fly... during a desperate battle for survival... Yet Rey is the one that people complain about.
Luke could have been an Imperial mole at that point, Leia has no clue and had only known him for a few hours.