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Why is The Godfather seen as THE 1970s classic (for adults) and not Jaws?


Spielberg did something Hitchcockeque with Jaws. ITs a movie with many and different layers. You could see this movie as a summer blockbuster with a frightening shark whom kills many humans.

Or, for example, see the fight men against nature. Or, at least, for the second half of the movie, how three men try to get along with each other and an environment which simply tries to kill them. That was for me the most important layer of Jaws and it was done so unsual perfect by Spielberg (in terms of unspoken words and virtual toughness as placeholder for social borders, which will break during the movie - which was done perfectly by 1970s cinema. In other terms Spielberg indeed was godlike til the late 1980s) that I would say that this is the real adult movie of the 1970s and not the overrated The Godfahter. Brando was fine, but he didnt come even near the play of Shaw in this movie.

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If I could only watch one movie again in my life, I would definitely take Jaws over The Godfather.

The Godfather, of course, is very good but there's just something about man vs shark that makes Jaws especially appealing.

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It's just more acclaimed. It is a character driven drama while Jaws in a horror film, and as good as Shaw is I don't think it's as well acted or directed as Godfather. Godfather was also perceived as very politically relevant for its day with the allegorical elements.

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Thats what I meant. You could easily see Jaws just as a horror film. Like you could see, for example, Psycho as just another thriller. But there are even postcapitalism layers there (according to Ziscek). The same is IMHO true for Jaws. The first hlf ist the usual "lighthearted" horror film (lighthearted in the sense of no deep meaning - surely except the uncommon family history of the Brodys which results in an weird family relationship). But the second half is simply "Men against themselves and the nature" in a sense not often seen even in an 1970s movie. The Godfather on the other side had just what it clearly showed. No further layer (beside the obvious political one you mentioned) and no mystery. Im not sure if Spielberg has done thos layers by accident (like most postmodern layers at Blade Runner which Ridley Scott doenst unterstand til this day :) ) or this was one of his few movies which was not just excellent, but instead a masterpiece. But perhaps I see there too much cause of the excellent play of not only Shaw, but also Scheider.

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Well Jaws is resolved with blowing up the shark. The end.

How does The Godfather end? What does it mean for Michael? Or for Kay? Or for their kids? Or for America? etc, etc.

Jaws is an extremely well made film. As well made as The Godfather.But it is not The Godfather. That's not faint praise but it is the truth.

Jaws influenced popular culture at the time. But The Godfather can claim to have influenced american life itself in some ways.

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Love "Jaws", never liked "The Godfather" very much. Sure, I recognize it's a very well-made, well-acted, intelligent somehow or films... but somehow I don't find them involving. Maybe it's because I feel no personal connection to the characters or their actions, I don't share any of their beliefs or identify with anyone on the screen.

But "Jaws", it starts by feeling like the real world, my real world, until the action leaves the real world and becomes something more interesting than reality. SO much better than watching a bunch of unlikeable gangsters shooting each other.

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As we have had several debates about judging film by objective standards and how much subjective opinion plays a role, the way I answer this is Godfather is the better film, arguably top 3 to 5 of all films ever made in the last 100+ years of cinema. Jaws is also high up on best movies of all time and for me I personally prefer Jaws.

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Jaws was the "The Dark Knight" of that era... a popcorn spectacle with some slight nods towards larger themes... Thats it... Yes, they're great fun, but they'll both always be kids movies as amusement rides, no matter how much we try to elevate their status or meaning...

Watch more movies of that time, or earlier and you'll find more depth and layers of meaning in a movie like Wild River by Elia Kazan or any number of dramas or thrillers of that and earlier decades...

The Godfather is on another level... The idiosyncratic score, the non-hero protagonists, the various themes of the movie and how they relate to the american experience... It even changed the way films looked with Willis' cinematography having a lasting influence even on movies today...

Jaws' biggest legacy is that it gave us the era of the blockbuster movie spectacle... The event movie...

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This is a pretty good summary of why Godfather is a better film. Not to say one cannot enjoy Jaws more. I think I do, but I can put aside my own personal taste and recognize that the Godfather is as you said "on another level".

There is a reason that The Godfather and Part 2 are basically on every critic's and film institutions' top 5 list and Jaws is not. A movie can't have that kind of widespread recognition for that long of time and not be considered among the best of all time. I hardly see jaws making a top 100 list of those same critics and institutions. One would have to be very biased to try to claim Jaws is a superior film and not be questioned for their lack of partiality.

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thanks, but i do think that critics underrate Jaws' influence.... without jaws, we wouldn't have blockbuster movies and movies might have ended up smaller as a result...

it certainly influenced the kinds of movies there were made since...

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Good point both certainly had an impact on movies. I can almost see that they split the ways movies were made. One goes down the path of Godfather and goes for Epic narrative. Others go down the path of Jaws and do blockbuster. We likely would not have some of the best blockbuster movies. However given that Star Wars came out within just a few years after Jaws, one could potentially see that blockbusters still would have happened; but than again maybe star Wars would not have gotten made without Spielberg's influence. so who knows.

But I disagree that critics underrate the influence Jaws had, I think they just recognize it is not a masterpiece like Godfather or Citizen Kane or seven samurai, or any other movies that are considered cinematic masterpieces. I think they recognize Jaws as a great film that was hugely influential in paving the way for the blockbuster film type. And therefore deserving to be recognized among the top 100 movies of all time but never deserving to be top 10.

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mxpower, you arent going to compare an average mob movie like Godfather with THE movie classic Citizen Kane? A movie with more layers of story then most mob movies added together :) .

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Renovatio, stating Jaws as a kids amusement ride is like stating that Psycho is simply a thriller. Plain wrong. Jaws is at its core a movie about 3 men against nature. And how they interact with each other when they are physically and psychological far away from civilization.

Theres absolutley nothing similiar a ordinary gangster movie like Godfather could offer to movie goers. Using anti heroes wasnt anything new at all. It was common during the 1960s or even the 1930s (most of Cagneys Mafia movies). The violent scenes werent much of a surprise and were already shown at war movies of that era. So no, Godfather isnt anything special at all. Its just an average and violent mob movie like many others. Even with the problem that there are no likeable characters and therefor noone feels with any of this characters. So the shootings are like some football match. It doesnt matter whom dies or not. Compare that with real good mob movies like Scarface with Al Pacino. Scarface is as much unlikeable as possible. But you feel with him and you are amazed how long he survives at the films final scene. Theres no such a feeling at Godfather. So sorry to tell, and I really wanted to avoid that review for Godfather fans (cause I know that this average movie is a "religion" for many people out there ;) ), but Godfather is simply average. Brando is the one which saves that movie from being less then average.

Jaws on the other side has the quality only Hitchcock movies offer otherwise: For the simple ones Hitchcok movies and Jaws are nothing else then thrillers. For the movie goers like Truffaut (everyone should read his interview series with Hitchcock) there are far more layers beneath this surface. Thats why Jaws is way more the "godfather" of 1970s style movies then "The Godfather" itself. And yes, blockbuster movies started with the success of Jaws. But Hitchcock movies also were amazingly succesful and still most of them had way more to offer then any mob movie.

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i saw both jaws and psycho as a child... Jaws was only thrilling in the theatre, wheras Psycho was a very disturbing experience... Even then I realised that Jaws was a thrill ride for everyone and Psycho was an adult movie...

Jaws doesn't compare to what Hitchcock made... No way it is at that level. Hitchcock made movies about human beings... Jaws isn't that kind of movie...

Scarface is a very different movie from Godfather... It is told in a much more subjective point of view, the film is very much from Tony Montana's perspective... While De Palma was heavily influenced by Hitchcock the movie is very much a De Palma style movie... I love it.

However, I don't think it does what Godfather does. Godfather is not just the story of Michael Corleone.... it is broader than that, but still rooted in the human level unlike Jaws, which has a few cute themes about man and nature, which are portrayed in a masterful and viseral way...

And not having "likable" characters is not a problem in Godfather... it is very indicative of other classics from that era like Chinatown, with zero likeable characters... it's not a team sport where you choose your "side" in a movie to root for or "identify" with...

It's ok... I enjoy Jaws... At the superfiecial level and at the deeper level, but I don't think it is as classic as Godfather, or Chinatown..

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Godfather sucks balls . Tried it a few times - cant stay awake.
Jaws - awesome, for lots of reasons other than the plot about the shark eating people.

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I can see that... Did you watch the original cut of the godfather or the horribly re-edited one they did for TV?

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You should view Jaws as 2 movies. The first half is your summer blockbuster. But its also a built up to slowly make you familiar with the three leading characters (in both meanings). And then, the second half, Jaws begins to shine. The shark, except for a few scenes, completely moves into the background as some abstract force of nature. But the real center are the three people on this small boat, which is everything which keeps them away from certain death. And this concludes into a stage where civilization doenst that much anymore. And it also shows that cutting away civilization doesnt always means that humans become worse. Quint spent most of his life in such scenarios and therefor handles that situation very well (beside that he destroyed their only tool of rescue ;) ). Hooper on the other side wasnt able to handle that scenario as good, but also started to realize almost at the end of the movie that they had to fight together to survive. Brody, finally, was simply at a state of shock. So this is something completely different then a shark eating tourists from the beach drive-in ;) .

And Chinatown got even two likeable characters (to bad one of them died). And Psycho indeed is something completely different then Jaws. Jaws (nor Godfather ;) ) doesnt even come near the complexity and awesomeness of Psycho. And Scarface is the child of a complete different era then Godfather. But de Palma knew whats important with movies. You have to built up an emotional bond with someone (even a mob boss). Otherwise the movie is simply a tech demo :) . And Hitchcock knew that better then anyone. He was even able to built up support for an mass murderer. And that bond was so tight, that the movie viewers even was as shocked as Norman when the car stopped sinking into the swamp for a brief moment. We supported a mass murderer at one of his crimes. Thats how important it is to built up such a bond. Otherwise .... Norman kills another person .... boring :) .

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