25% gold 75% bilge.


Shame they had no quality control.

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John Cleese has said pretty much the same thing - that although the good bits (the bits everyone remembers) are exceptionally good, there was also, in his own words, "an awful lot of dross".

I think that's par for the course for sketch shows in general, which have a tendency to be hit-and-miss, and Python was no exception. While Python was actively and self-consciously trying to break conventions, a lot of the sketches did fall a little flat, or were only amusing the first time you saw them.

I have to say, as a long-time Python fan, whenever I re-watch the shows, there is a lot of stuff I skip!


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I've been re-watching since it turned up on Netflix and find it funnier than I remember it in college 30 years ago.

I think a lot of that is because a lot of the humor isn't in straight laughs, it's in the structure of the skits and the social parody. I think the parts people don't like are often the parts they don't get or where the material was too clever to be obviously funny unless you grasped the intellectual part of it.

I also think all sketch comedy is bound to have a certain amount of misses; constructing a sketch show requires a large amount of ideas, which is challenge to anyone working within the limits of time, money and resources. Sometimes you just have to go with a weak idea and think it might get better with time or the performance.

A narrative comedy can bulk itself out with the narrative or get away with repeating a gag in a new scene or with other characters, or build itself around a character who IS the gag.

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I kinda like it for that. Very "stream of consciousness." And frankly, even the best sketch comedy has about the same ratio.

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I see it the opposite way: 75% gold (or silver) and 25% bilge.

And yes, they had quality control. They've said in interviews there had to be agreement among the group's members about what went into the show, and what didn't - although sometimes bits were filmed spontaneously which they decided to keep. Cleese said the quick skit with him and Palin (where Cleese plays a bobby and Palin propositions him) was one of those, and he doubts it would have made it into the lineup if had been discussed at one of the aforementioned meetings.

I don't think the show would have become legendary if three-quarters of the episodes were "bilge."

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Good post.

I was going to say the same thing about it being the opposite ratio...

I always thought The funniest joke in the world (or "Killer Joke") was the worst, but I still always watch it because it still has some very funny parts.




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Some sketches lose their appeal through over-exposure, and as you say there are often hidden gems in comparatively weak ones.

The BBC has been much-criticised over the years for wiping many of its tapes, so the fact that "some bilge" was kept in and thus still available to view has to be regarded as a plus.


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Cheese Shop was bilge but Cleese likes it I think.


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Cheese Shop was bilge but Cleese likes it I think.


Couldn't agree more, it was just awful and it was a chore to sit through. It's arguably the most mundane sketch they ever did.

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^ 2 people that don’t get the cheese shop skit

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They certainly don't. That is among my favorite of the lot, and one that some members of my family continue to quote to this day after seeing it but once in the mid-'70s. To each his own, I suppose, though one must draw the line somewhere and perhaps the Cheese Shop bit is that line?

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I see it the opposite way: 75% gold (or silver) and 25% bilge.


I agree, the majority of it was inspired. Yes it did have it's sketches which were downright awful (The Cheese sketch being a perfect example) as someone else stated it's the same with pretty much any sketch show. There's always going to be the odd bad one amongst all the good. I recall watching a documentary about the series where one of the Python's, I can't recall who, said that towards the end they felt they were beginning to repeat themselves too much. It's no doubt why the fourth series was the last as well as mention shorter than the one's that preceded it. The first three had thirteen episodes while the fourth only contained six.

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"Cheese Shop" is a great sketch. Watch it again. Now.






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i think myself i would say it's about 50/50.

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I find it's actually mostly gold. The sketches everyone loves are more "traditional" sketches, but the other stuff gets surreal, weird, and beautiful.

I'd liken it to buying an album for three hit songs, loving those songs, but then "discovering" a bunch of other stuff on the album you love, too.

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I grew up watching them un-cut and once in awhile even now, I still find something I never noticed before. I think it's about 90% gold and 10% bilge. But some episodes like "Mr Neutron" and "Cycling Tour," which I never liked very much really grow on me over the years. I think "Cheese Shop" is one of the best. The later non-Cleese years had more bombs because Terry Jones took over as the leader of the troupe and previously, John Cleese was the loudest voice of reason until his departure before Series 4.



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More 50/50 or 60/40 - the nature of sketch shows.

I actually find some of the more famous stuff not quite as good as some hidden gems.

As an example of the 'shop sketch' - ie anything involving Cleese/Palin (Cheese, Argument, Fish Licence, Parrot, etc), but other members were involved - a hidden gem is the series 2 (about episode 4, 5 or 6) with Idle as a butcher (seller of meat) alternatively sucking up to, and then insulting, Palin.

Priceless! And unlike a few sketches which some anti-Pythons complain about, they know when to get out quickly once the idea had been used up!

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I like most of the live-action bits, but I find the animated stuff tiresome.

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I would have little hesitation watching some Python, but I do remember once thinking how much I was going to love all this brainy and irreverent humor, then watching the show and thinking how not funny a lot of it was. I thought the cartoon bits particularly fell flat, although I love Gilliam's films. But they still have a special place so I won't try to diminish their legacy. And they have enough catalog that the wiggy bits aren't all representative of the troop.

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I never liked the animated bits, always found them annoying and couldn't wait for them to be over. On the other hand, it wouldn't feel like "Monty Python" without them.

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