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Why in the name of hell...

posted 9 years ago by Enthusiastic_Parker
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is this #6? It should be AT LEAST #3. That movie kicks ass. It is easily the best western ever made, probably the "best-known" film along with The Godfather and it's not some pretentious crap like Citizen Kane (which I haven't seen, but I always hear that it is BORING). It's got to be one of the most influential movies ever and for the time it was released, I believe it must have been mind-blowing.

"In this world there's two types of people my friend. Those with loaded guns and those who dig."

[–] RecordBreaker84 9 years ago

You're calling Citizen Kane pretentious crap, but you haven't seen it. Ugh. If you ask me, this movie is kind of boring and long, but the characters are great and it has a few good scenes, classic score, but in the end overrated. 7/10.

[–] newbuch123 9 years ago

It should be raised to #5 at least, The Dark Knight is a bit too high in my opinion.
Citizen Kane was a pretty neat movie but not more than a 7/10 in my opinion, I'll have to grow up and rewatch it sometime (I'm 14).

[–] DaveBowman2001 (472) 6 years ago

CK is a great movie. Not for a teenager though. You have to be a certain age and mindset to enjoy it, like many movies. It's as relevant in 2018 as it was when it came out. "Give me the photos and I'll give you your war"

TGTBATU has one of the best movie scores ever. It's enjoyable to listen to on it's own. I love the movie, but can understand why some don't too.

Dark Knight or any other superhero movie has no business in the conversation of top 500 movies of all time.

[–] snepts (11123) 5 years ago

I wouldn't ask a young person to go into CK "cold" and enjoy it. Not having given it a lot of thought, but having some exposure to other B&W films might make viewing CK a little more insightful. Maybe Casablanca and Sunset Boulevard, at the very least. Maltese Falcon. Just some things to give you a sense of how films appeared and were produced back then.

[–] tbm-5 9 years ago

I think the problem with 'Citizen Kane' today is that people no longer remember who Hearst was and therefore are not in the same position as the audience who saw it when it was released.

It's not CK becoming a worse movie, it is the audience losing the ability to understand it.

[–] sparker1 9 years ago

True, and many of the groundbreaking directorial elements Wells used in Citizen Cane have been used over and over since then until they are now part of the common cinematic language. People forget or never learn that he created them.

[–] nedeljkodjukic88 9 years ago

Exactly. I know people who watch movies every day, who have seen tons of them and have never heard of Bergman, Fellini, Tarkovsky, Powell or Wells. They only know present and what is offered at the moment and don't bother to think of pioneers and inventors without whom they wouldn't be able to see any of those movies.

[–] tanoshiri 9 years ago

I know people who use a computer every day, who have never heard of binary encoding, digital logic, or state machines. Amazingly enough, you can enjoy something without knowledge of its history.

[–] nedeljkodjukic88 9 years ago

I'm not talking about computers and things like that. Those are just means and instruments. You don't enjoy computer, but the music you can hear on it, the pictures and movies you can see on it.
Film is art and should touch people and make them think. If one likes Red hot chili peppers music, and RHCP often point out how they were influenced by The Clash or The Beach Boys, one should naturally be interested to listen to these bands too, no matter that music isn't modern. If not, he's simply shallow.

[–] BertramWilberforceWooster 9 years ago

I am aware of both Welles's contribution to cinema and Hearst. I still found the film boring. I've watched it three times, and each time I come away exhausted. I appreciate it as a film, but in terms of story, I was left wanting.

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[–] Enthusiastic_Parker 9 years ago

Well, as I said, I haven't watched it. I hope I like it. I just hear a lot that it is boring.

"In this world there's two types of people my friend. Those with loaded guns and those who dig."

[–] meguroutsubo 8 years ago

I think that people can't appreciate the technical advances in Citizen Kane unless they've studied some of the movies from the silent era and the 1930s that came before it. That way, audiences could understand what a great leap forward it was from the previous standards of film-making.

[–] thefly50 9 years ago

I never thought of The Good, the Bad and the Ugly as anything particularly masterful, a little overrated to be honest. Very satisfying, but quite draggy and corny. 8/10. It isn't anywhere near the top 10 films of all time, not even the greatest wesrern (The Searchers, My Darling Clementine, Unforgiven, The Wild Bunch, etc. offer much more value). Not even the greatest Leone film, as that would easily be Once Upon a Time in the West. But you can say it's the greatest western ever, I don't object to that, but is your comment rather ignorant.

I enjoy watching Citizen Kane (actually my all time favourite film) far more. I don't get the hate that film gets. I've never thought it's boring, or anywhere *near* pretentious (don't knock it till you try it, don't call a film crap just because others say it is).

What does pretentious even mean in this day and age? Nearly every piece of cinema is pretense, it pretends to be real, when it's just an illusion. Why is "pretentious" even a detriment? Had there been no pretentiousness, there wouldn't be actual art.

[–] Beau_Buffet (327) 7 years ago

"Not even the greatest Leone film, as that would easily be Once Upon a Time in the West. But you can say it's the greatest western ever, I don't object to that"

I don't understand your logic, here.

And I also think OUAITW is the best Leone movie... AND the best western ever.

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[–] liscarkat (16543) 7 years ago

Your opinion about "Citizen Caine" has no credibility, since you haven't seen it. As far as "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" is concerned, it is not the best western ever made; however, it is very good. Perhaps one of the best.

[–] Jones70 (6195) 5 years ago

still very very good ranking tho