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Passing off Chuck as a Spaniard


It has been mentioned in some comments about the portrayals by Heston and Fraser as spaniards, to be a bit of a stretch. Gary Raymond on the other hand is a bit more plausible.

Without stirring a racial debate regarding eggplants...I can't help but be reminded of Dennis Hopper's suicidal diatribe from True Romance.

Were not people in parts of Southern Europe fairer in skin/hair at this period in history c1090, prior to the introduction of the Moorish gene-pool??

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There is no a representative sample of moorish Gene-pool neither in Spain nor southern Europe. We have the same haplogroupe as the UK for example because arabians considered christians as a bad influence and never got married, so that the racial question should be not assummed at the time.

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albsoufer-90-99000 posted:

There is no a representative sample of moorish Gene-pool neither in Spain nor southern Europe. We have the same haplogroupe as the UK for example because arabians considered christians as a bad influence and never got married, so that the racial question should be not assummed at the time.


A century earlier than El Cid, Abd ar-Rahman III (889/991-961) 8th Umayyad Emir and First Caliph of Cordoba had a Christian mother Muzna and a Christian grandmother on his father's side, Onneca Fortunez, daughter of King Garcia Fortunez of Pamplona.

Being 3 quarters Christian, Abd ar-Rahman looked more like a Christian European than a male line descendant of a cousin of the Prophet Mohammed, and had:

. white skin, blue eyes and attractive face; good looking, although somewhat sturdy and stout. His legs were short, to the point that the stirrups of his saddle were mounted just one palm under it. When mounted, he looked tall, but on his feet he was quite short. He dyed his beard black.[17]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd-ar-Rahman_III

In fact I have read that Abd ar-Rahman had fair hair and dyed his beard to look more like a typical Arab.

If a Muslim Caliph in Spain could look so northern European, some members of the Spanish royal and noble families must have looked like northern Europeans instead of southern Europeans. Thus Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar, El Cid, could possibly have looked like Charlton Heston. Since he was a great war leader El Cid might also have been a great warrior, and so he might have been as big and strong looking as Charlton Heston, and he might also have had as light skin, hair, and eyes.

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Is it weirder than passing him off as a Jewish prince in Ben-Hur? Or as a Mexican detective in Touch of Evil?

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I should have thought casting Herbert Lom as a Berber would have given cause to more objections than good ol' Chuck, here.

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I knew a guy from one of the Spanish Basque provinces who was blonde and blue-eyed. A lot of people thought he was Scandinavian.

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Most Spaniards are white so. People assume Spanish speaking people are supposed to be brown or something because most Spanish speaking people come from Latin America. So that's what most people are used to. Those people got their language from the Spaniards, who conquered the land.

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