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Is there a reason he has never played Joker?


Has no one approached him to play the Joker? Does someone need to write a batman film where they pen the joker to be played by Willem Dafoe as the only pick?

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He's always been a top fan favorite actor to play the Joker for decades. He would have been amazing as that character. Then again, there are those opinions think he is too short or too old to play him. 👀

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If Jack Nicholson could do it, Willem Dafoe certainly can. I think he'd be amazing. I did not care for Jack Nicholson's version.

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Nicholson was kind of creepy as the Joker, Dafoe would flat out scare the shit out of me.

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Look, the man is officially 66 years old, and the only way he could play the Joker now is if someone made a movie about an older Bruce Wayne. Too bad he didn't get the chance in the past, but decades can go by with nobody making a film that includes the Joker.

Villainy is a young person's game, you know?

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Plenty of old dictators and evil bitter old men.

Being driven insane over the course of a lifetime is reasonable as an origin story.

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Dictators live to be old, because they're the successful villains!

But it's the hallmark of a comic-book villain that they can never win for a sustained length of time, they have to be defeated by the good guys in every single story arc. Definitely not a job you keep until you're old.

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I wanted to add: An idea I had to explain his age. Joker is old and behind bars in arkham asylum, but batman has to visit him to obtain clues to a new case. Something Joker would understand being in that insane mindset, or joker himself set the stage for a catastrophy to occur many years after he was behind bars.

The good guys always win, because the villian only has to win once! If the villian wins once it means the good guys are dead. Learned that perspective from a Villians of Comics documentary.

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Oh no, a villain doesn't have to only win once! Once a villain wins, and becomes ruler of the world or otherwise gets what they're after, they have to spend the rest of their career fighting off other villains or ambitious underlings who want their job! Or who turn to the light side, and kill them to protect their hero son!

Seriously, yes, you can have a Joker released from Arkham, and yes, he's supposed to be a bit older than Batman because of what happened to the Waynes, but not TOO much older. Superheroes are cast young these days, because the moviemakers want to keep the actor in the role for a decade or two, and a 30-year-old Batman and a 60-year-old Joker would be a bit of a mismatch.

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It'll be Gerard Butler as old Bruce Wayne/Batman, with Willem Dafoe as Joker. A two movie deal, with contract stating that movies will be made no further than two years apart. So within four to five years we will have two movies with the old actors.

Three movies is pushing it for old actors, besides not everything needs to be a trilogy. Two is more than enough for the story.

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Except that Hollywood firmly believes that the mainstream doesn't want to see movies about old actors... unless they're proven moneymakers like Tom Cruise or Clint Eastwood.

Oh well, it'd be good casting, and might be a good movie.

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Thats not entirely true. We've been getting Liam Neeson, Bruce Willis, Sylvester Stallone, Gerard Butler, Daniel Day Lewis, Tom Hardy (is he old enough for this list yet? he is 44) I could add Dicaprio and Mcanoughey as being old actors getting proper films but they have been go to actors for a long time now. But considering that Cruise and Eastwood have been go to actors for a long time then I may aswell add Gary Oldman, Denzel Washington, Morgan Freeman. I mean the list of old actors getting action gigs is still abundant. Ryan Reynolds is getting older too. Samuel L. Jackson, Kurt Russell. I may as well stop typing I made my point. If youre a good actor and can do action roles they will make a movie with you! And Josh Brolin, and Benecio Del Toro. Alright Im done xD

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He might not be interested in comic book movies.

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So that's why he played the Green Goblin?

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He hit the ball outta the park as Green Goblin

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The Aquaman movie?

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As others commented, Willem doesnt seem to be against starring in a superhero film. Thats why I wondered if anyone ever approached him to play Joker?

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Yep.

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He wasn't the actor for that role.

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People said that about Heath Ledger. Do you think they just never considered Dafoe?

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I think Dafoe would have nailed the role of Nick Cage in Face Off. I don't think they ever considered Dafoe to play the Joker.

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That would've been interesting to see. I bet he would have brought real feelings of menace, way beyond what they intended

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His only chance was in 1989 and Jack Nicholson landed the role. I don't think Warner Bros. had the commercial rights to do a remake as they were already committed to the Batman sequels that followed well into the 90s.

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