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He Lost Me Post KILL BILL, Sadly


He once said about Scorsese that his style is so different (post Goodfellas) that he's at a "different church" and that he, Tarantino, is no longer a member, and he didn't say it rudely, more an observation...

Alas I've felt that way towards the director who saved me in the early 1990's... Since KILL BILL, heck, sustaining the whole church symbolism, I'm pretty much a defeated Atheist...

I'm not here to bash QT but something's missing... He seems more style than, well, you know the cliche... His "comeback" veteran actors are given roles that are hardly cameos, he insists on working with big stars we get to see in everything BESIDES the special feeling of seeing a Tarantino movie, that could use no-names and still make tons of bread...

To me, QT has gone the way of Tim Burton... Burton's sets now just look like BurtonVille and TarantinoLand lacks the realism that the exterior landscape flicks from Tarantino's youth, Peckinpah, etc., all just seem in some cozy (for him) studio and... I don't know... It's sad... For me...

I want KILL BILL to come out... Another action flick HAS TO be good... Or not...The man's rhythm isn't off, really, it's just... a different song... or church... oh whatever I'm trying to say is this: I want the man back because tho I'm an old man, my youth ain't over...

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He actually already lost me with Kill Bill. I really wanted to like the movie, but it just wanted to be too much of everything and was just boring and long-winded.

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He lost me with Kill Bill but won me back with Inglourious Basterds. I think that Basterds, Django and Hateful Eight are great but I can see how some think he's getting too comfortable. His next movie should be different.

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Comfortable is a good word. It’s like he’s on autopilot. He’s so good at making films that his C game produces B+ movies which is still great but we need the A’s.

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Well, even though I can understand how someone could actually feel that he's on "autopilot", I still find his movies creative. Yes, in a way his last three movies are similar in many ways, but they all have a different kind of storytelling.

The major similarities between the three: slow pacing, when the violent scenes come it is rarely involving only one character dying, all three have one character who sounds like a "know-it-all", all three are in a way or another about revenge, they all have at least one highly racist character, the heroes enjoy killing and feel it's for a good cause, there's always at least one character who seems flawless and fails because he overestimated his plan. I could probably go on but I think you get the idea.

The differences: they each have a unique way to tell the stories and the lines are not structured in the same way (you have Ingloriois Basterds which has a funnier pacing in which you could hardly take it seriously, while Django Unchained had some drama here and there and the lines were progressive and finally The Hateful Eight which was way darker and the characters were rambling on a lot), the characters didn't the same ambitions or purpose (we could agree that Shoshana and Django both seeked revenge and ceased their opportunities though, but then again not for the same reasons or in the same way... one didn't see every white people like enemies but only those who supported slavery while in the other case she saw every Nazis as enemies and was ready to exterminate them all), they were filmed in different ways (I would need to make a whole paragraph to clarify this one so if you're interested), the main villains have totally different ways to function and we couldn't say that they try to achieve the same goals (here again you could say that this is normal and doesn't make it "original" but I could explain myself further on this one too), all three have at least one kind of annoying character but once again they are different.

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I’m glad it’s not just me. I think you hit the nail on the head with Burtonville and Tarantinoland. I see previews for Burton films and they look like extremely talented high school kids are ripping off Edward Scissorhands and Sleepy Hollow. Inglourious Basterds is actually in my top 2, but I still agree with you that it’s totally different from his 90’s films.

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Well his movies in the 90s were fiction but in more realistic settings while since 2000s we clearly know we're more in some kind of fantasy lands. I mean, even though that Inglorious Basterds talks about a known period in history, anyone knows that it is totally out of the reality. The way the stories are told is definitely more work of Tarantino's imagination. But, in a way I feel like it shows more creativity.

Well, there's Death Proof that I feel is also more "feet on earth" than all the others, but this is like the Tarantino's movie of which we are aware of its existence, but don't really consider it.

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I didn't even like Kill Bill or Jackie Brown very much, but I still get excited when his new movies come out. I put IB as my fav QT film thus far.

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