Why is Anime so underrated? - General Discussion Discussion

"Anime was a mistake." - Hayao Miyazaki

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[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

Actually, he never said such a thing. He was talking about how Anime industry was full of otakus, which is a problem you can notice in many series. Still, the amount of movies and series produced is huge, and there's still a big number of brilliant series and movies produced. Miyazaki was critical because he loves it, and they could be even more and even better.

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/anime-was-a-mistake

Btw, modern western media like to put words in the mouth of people. "Creative translations" are extremely frequent. Hideo Kojima has had the same problem several times.

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[–] actionkamen (23176) 4 years ago

Anime is not underrated. Look at how big Dragon Ball is. It's almost Mickey Mouse level of popularity and probably has more hardcore fanbase. And they achieve it in shorter time.

But Japanese being Japanese is very prevalent in anime. They cater their taste first and anything else second. They don't care about international market, maybe excepy Ghibli. That's why only Ghibli is popular in the West.

Almost all anime look the same. They have a very peculiar and specific way to depict human and human behavior. It's way way detached from reality. Anime characters behaves ridiculously Japanese specific. No other people from any culture would understand moe, waifus or tsundere or yandere, except Japanese themselves and weeabos.

And then there's the real life problem of anime. Look at modern Japanese live action cinema. They suck. If they can't make good movies, they also can't make good animated movies. Japanese entertainment industry is probably mostly run by the Yakuza. And they have no morals. Animators are worked excessively while being underpaid. Obviously talented people will move out (to the videogame industry for example, where they can get better pay.) The only remaining people in anime are otakus themselves. So otakus make entertainment products for otakus. That's anime in a nutshell.

Anime, indeed, was a mistake.

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[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

Anime is not underrated. Look at how big Dragon Ball is.

Dragon Ball is a series from the 80s. It's very different from modern Anime.

Almost all anime look the same. They have a very peculiar and specific way to depict human and human behavior. It's way way detached from reality. Anime characters behaves ridiculously Japanese specific.

The characters behave like Japanese... obviously, since the creators are Japanese!!!

Using the same logic we could say "All movies from Hollywood Golde Age look the same, since they have a very peculiar and specific way to depict human and human behavior. It's way way detached from reality. Hollywood Golden Age characters behave ridiculously western specific".

And then there's the real life problem of anime. Look at modern Japanese live action cinema. They suck. If they can't make good movies, they also can't make good animated movies.

That statement has no basis. You're taking western countries as a model. Here, animation is often linked to movie industry. You have Disney doing Star Wars movies and Star Wars animated series. Directors jumping back and forth from animation to live action movies.

That's not the case in Japan. They're completely separated industries. Anime has strong links with Manga and Light Novels, less with videogames, and near zero with movies.

Japanese entertainment industry is probably mostly run by the Yakuza.

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Animators are worked excessively while being underpaid. Obviously talented people will move out. The only remaining people in anime are otakus themselves. So otakus make entertainment products for otakus.

I'd say 90% of series follow that pattern. In the remaining 10%, though, there's brilliant movies and series.

Western Scifi from 60s to 80s can be considered a Golden Age... and still, 90% of those novels were garbage. Why? because, even during some media Golden Age, 90% of works will be garbage. This is known as the Sturgeon's Law:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_law

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[–] actionkamen (23176) 4 years ago

I know Dragon Ball is from the 80s. That's why it's good and popular, unlike modern anime which are generic and otaku centric.

No, Hollywood movies cater to International audience to the point of almost pandering in fact. Chinese actors and settings injected into blockbusters for what? For Chinese audience. Disney even makes Mulan a wuxia movie now.

Most anime don't even bother. They make anime for Japanese and only Japanese. They don't care about International audiences. They don't care about global markets. It's not the same as Hollywood.

Look at Japanese game industry. They obviously cater to American and International markets. Take Resident Evil 2 Remake for example. The use of American characters, more realistic graphic (not anime), and normal character behaviour (not tsundere or all those bullshit.) Even their anime games look rather atypicaly anime, like Final Fantasy 7 Remake. It's an anime game, but it's good anime not bullshit anime.

Obviously Japan's anime industry don't work like that. All they do is cutesy characters in random bright colored hair, with extremely abnormal behaviour. It's kawaiiiii to the extreme.

If anime was more like Akira and Dragon Ball and Ghibli's (and Resident Evil and Final Fantasy 7) of course they would be more popular, in the West and around the world.

But the fact that modern anime are so ridiculously specific is what makes them unpopular everywhere outside Japan.

If 90% of Hollywood movies only cater to Jews with every movie must contain evil Nazi and Jewish prosecutions. With all the characters behaves extremely ridiculous. Then they would also not be popular. Nobody would want to watch Hollywood movies, maybe except Jews. Buy they're not. Hollywood movies are varied and they not only cater for single specific market.

Japanese anime today is out of control. If they don't realize this soon as Miyazaki did, anime will eventually vanish outside Japan. It's a shame really. But modern anime is not underrated at all. It's rated accordingly.

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[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

Look at Japanese game industry. They obviously cater to American and International markets.

Actually, they don't. There's 2-3 big companies like Capcom or Konami that do that, that's all.

Most anime don't even bother. They make anime for Japanese and only Japanese. They don't care about International audiences.

In the meanwhile, Hollywood movies are getting worse and worse. Hollywood is living of prestige accumulated... when they used to make movies without caring about international audiences.

Obviously Japan's anime industry don't work like that. All they do is cutesy characters in random bright colored hair, with extremely abnormal behaviour. It's kawaiiiii to the extreme.

That's a style. It's very popular, but it's far from being the only one.

If anime was more like Akira and Dragon Ball and Ghibli's (and Resident Evil and Final Fantasy 7) of course they would be more popular

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Modern Anime has series and movies that are way better than Dragon Ball and reach Ghibli's quality. Just to give an example, the last series I've been watching, Uchouten Kazoku, is as good as Ghibli's movies and better than Dragon Ball or Final Fantasy.

But the fact that modern anime are so ridiculously specific (Japanese) [...] If 90% of Hollywood movies only cater to Jews with every movie must contain evil Nazi and Jewish prosecutions.

I'm afraid that's ridiculous. You're comparing Japanese Anime with nazis because Japanese Anime have Japanese characters. What????

During Hollywood Golden Age all the character were Americans. That's nazi!!!

Japanese anime today is out of control. If they don't realize this soon as Miyazaki did, anime will eventually vanish outside Japan

Well, what's happening is the opposite, Manga and Anime are becoming more and more popular
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6iriWsDCYM

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[–] actionkamen (23176) 4 years ago

What are you talking about? Nobody is comparing Japanese anime with nazis. Reading comprehension fail.

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[–] BurningSun (717) 4 years ago

Because most normal people are exposed to anime through wacko weeaboos who growled and meowed at people in school. I think we all knew that one anime fan who genuinely thought he could shoot lazers from his hands. This gives people the impression that all anime is the uwu hentai stuff and they avoid it like the plague. I did the same until I was maybe 20 and watched Akira and discovered how awesome and interesting anime could be. But most westerners have a pretty bad impression of anime due to the questionable anime they’re exposed to in doses.

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[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

Yeap, it could be. But it's a pity :-( . I was watching the second season of Uchouten Kazoku last night, and it's absolutely brilliant. The next one is gonna be Eizouken ni wa Te wo Dasu na, which looks even better, and then I have Barakamon queued, which I still haven't seen. None of those series has any relation with 'pew pew' shooting lasers.

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[–] Stratego (29295) 4 years ago

I actually think the best anime was in the early 2000s (and some gems from the 90s). These days it looks awful because of all the CGI and it's mostly sequels, prequels, spin-offs and reboots anyway.

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[–] PlanetTree (26) 4 years ago

I don't watch series of anything but I do like that anime movie "Penguin highway" and also that movie about the drunk girl "The Night Is Short, Walk on Girl".

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Anime is not underrated. It is perfectly rated.

In fact, it's getting to the point where it's becoming overrated. So much of anime is just capitalizing off the mistakes of other IPs. For example, Psycho Pass is brilliant, but it's basically like the creators saw Minority Report, realized what was wrong with it and then put out a better version. Yet weeaboos would have you think that this series was a one of a kind original and an expression of how brilliant and creative anime is.

Ditto everything else. Ghost in the Shell is just Robocop. Kite is The Professional. Lupin is ripped off from the Lupin novels. Nothing really at all original or unique about any of these concepts but because the Japanese are good at adapting and executing preexisting IPs, they're seen as brilliant.

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[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

► It's true that Psycho-Pass uses the 'pre-crime' idea from Minority Report (which was from a Philip K Dick story, and I think there was a Twilight Zone episode with the same idea), but it goes far beyond that. It includes original elements, like individuals having a 'personal score' based in the probability that they'll become criminals, the whole system becoming a 1984-like regime or the 'pre-crime' used to eliminate not only likely criminals, but probable political dissidents. Minority Report is a good movie. Psycho-Pass is much more.

► Ghost in the Shell and Robocop??? I don't see the relation there, beyond both having a cybernetic half-human half-robot character, and the same could be said about the Borgs in Star Trek, GenoCyber or the Cybermen from Doctor Who.

► Yeap, Kite is an obvious (bad) rip-off from The Professional. And the american movie Point of No Return is an obvious (bad) copy from Nikita. So what?

Nothing really at all original or unique about any of these concepts but because the Japanese are good at adapting and executing preexisting IPs, they're seen as brilliant.

Then I'd be interested in knowing exactly what preexisting IP have 'copied' animes like, let's say, Noragami, or Uchouten Kazoku, or Red Turtle, or When Marnie was Here, or Eizouken ni wa Te wo Dasu na, or Your Name, or Weathering with You, or Paprika, or Perfect Blue, or Nodame Cantabile, or Genshiken, or Tatami Galaxy, or Gabriel Dropout, or Aria, or Flying With, or Kiki's Delivery Service, or many others.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Oh, brother! Thanks for proving my point about how crazed anime fans are.

I didn't say Psycho Pass was completely unoriginal. I said that this is the type of series that everyone praises as being the epitome of what is oh, so brilliant about anime, when the core concept itself was ripped off from Minority Report.

As for you questioning the similarities between RoboCop and Ghost in the Shell? Robocop=cybernetic police officer who starts to question his existence. Ghost in the Shell=cybernetic police officer who starts to question her existence. Now, you can pretend that there are no similarities or that GITS wasn't inspired by RoboCop, but all you'd be doing is playing obtuse.

And the american movie Point of No Return is an obvious (bad) copy from Nikita. So what?

That movie is a remake of La Femme Nikita. Luc Besson is credited as the writer. What does this have to do with anything?

Then I'd be interested in knowing exactly what preexisting IP have 'copied' animes like, let's say, Noragami...

Oh, that's very cute. You're going to try to "stump me" by throwing a bunch of super obscure Japanese titles at me that I couldn't possibly have seen and therefore aren't in a position to debate about. Well, I'll tell you about the one title I have seen. Perfect Blue is supposedly to have been inspired by the murder of Selena, a singer who was killed two years before the film. Read about Selena's life, who murdered her, and the similarities will be obvious: https://moviechat.org/tt0156887/Perfect-Blue/58c766436b51e905f6841c3c/Did-Rumi-remind-anyone-else-of

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[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

► "Thanks for proving my point about how crazed anime fans are."

Insults and personal attacks. I can't say that it comes as a surprise. Anyway...

► "I didn't say Psycho Pass was completely unoriginal. [...] the core concept itself was ripped off from Minority Report."

The core concept was much more than the idea in Minority Report... which wasn't even original from Minority Report. Whoever is interested, it's in the spoiler section from my previous comment.

► "Robocop=cybernetic police officer who starts to question his existence. Ghost in the Shell=cybernetic police officer who starts to question her existence. Now, you can pretend that there are no similarities"

If being able to find one common sentence that applies to both is the standard to consider a 'rip-off', then Nikita is another rip-off of Robocop: "an organization takes a normal person, fakes his/her death, makes him/her a lethal killer, but he/she finally rebels against them". And Captain America is another rip-off of Robocop: "one normal person is transformed into a lethal killer, love helps him to find himself, but he won't be able to go back to the woman he loves". And so on.

Obviously, Nikita or Captain America are not rip-offs of Robocop, because that standard you used is ridiculous.

► "(Point of No Return is an obvious (bad) copy from Nikita) That movie is a remake of La Femme Nikita. Luc Besson is credited as the writer. What does this have to do with anything?"

You gave me an Anime that was a rip-off from a Luc Besson's movie to "prove" that Anime just "adapted preexisting IPs", so I gave you an American movie that did the same. If your rule applies to Anime, it applies to Hollywood. Anything else is double standard.

CONTINUE

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[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

CONTINUE

► "Oh, that's very cute. You're going to try to "stump me" by throwing a bunch of super obscure Japanese titles at me"

Actually, many of those 'super obscure Japanese titles' are very popular. Like 'superobscure' Your Name and Weithering with You, the highest box office last years in Anime, the last one being the first Anime movie selected by Japan for the Oscars. 'Superosbcure' Paprika and Perfect Blue, the two most famous movies from Satoshi Kon, who was considered the best Anime movie director after Miyazaki. 'Superosbcure' When Marnie was Here, the last movie released by Studio Ghibli. Or Noragami, ranked recently as the 3rd more popular Anime in 2014 by MyAnimeList (like iMDB for Anime). Or Eizouken ni wa Te wo Dasu na, which is (for now) the most praised and highest rated Anime series released this year 2020.

If you think that 'Weithering with You', the first Anime selected for the Oscar in years, or 'When Marnie was Here', the last movie from Studio Ghibli, are 'superobscure titles', what you're telling is that you know nothing about Anime. And I don't get why you're debating about something you obviously don't know shit.. It's like trying to debate about western movies with somebody that didn't hear about John Wick, Once Upon a Time In Hollywood or The Irishman and thinks they are a bunch of 'superobscure western titles'

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

The core concept was much more than the idea in Minority Report... which wasn't even original from Minority Report. Whoever is interested, it's in the spoiler section from my previous comment.

You're deliberately trying to play obtuse about my point.

Psycho Pass is based on the premise of Minority Report. The premise is that in a dystopian future, people are punished for crimes they didn't commit based on an arbitrary metric by a "system" that decides what they could do/are capable of doing.

The point I was trying to make earlier is that while anime fans are like "OMGERD SO CREATIVE AND UNDERRATED!", Americans (and maybe most Westerners) aren't as taken by stuff like this because it's just a rehash of what they've seen before. This is why anime is "underrated", in your opinion. It's "underrated" to *you* because you're not aware of similar source material. But to everyone else, it's the same old, same old, except with a Japanese spin, so they don't see it as "special" as you do.

For example, "Monster." Monster is a great manga. But guess what? It's the American TV show, The Fugitive. So, while anime fans are like "OMGERD SO CREATIVE AND UNDERRATED", Americans are like, "Meh. That's good and all, but it's The Fugitive."

Ditto "One Punch Man." I love OPM. But guess what? In the end of the day, it's just a Japanese The Tick. Of course, to anime fans who've never seen The Tick, you're gonna be like "OMGERD SO CREATIVE AND UNDERRATED!" But people who see OPM are not going to see it as exceptionally brilliant in the way anime fans want them to.

That is all I'm saying.

And I don't understand what you want from me or other people who you posed your question to. You asked why anime is underrated. I explained to you, as best as I could, why that is. Westerners are not going to be impressed by something that's just doing something that they've seen before. If you can't grasp the concept, I can't help you.

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[–] TheAdlerian (2092) 4 years ago

One Punch Man was funny!

But it's not awesome as it's a one joke show.

Side note: His friend asked him what his training routine was at the gym. He explained and it sounded like what I do. I was like, what?

Then his friend exploded and started screaming, "Anybody could do that!!"

A lot of laughs in that show.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Oh, you're talking about Genos. LOL. Yes, he has a meltdown, because he expected to hear something very mysterious in the way of Saitama's training. But Saitama said that all he did was just run around a lot and do push ups (or something to that effect), and that's when Genos lost it.

BTW, there's a super interesting backstory to that anime.

The comic is drawn by a guy called "One." He draws like a mental patient. Then another "superior" artist came along and redrew his comics from scratch.

But what's ironic is that One's comic (the original badly drawn version) is better than the new one in terms of story and characters. The redrawn version has tons of filler and fluff, so that's why the show (which is based on the redrawn comic) is more repetitive and one note.

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[–] TheAdlerian (2092) 4 years ago

Wow, that's interesting.

I am hoping for season two to come out.

Do you buy a lot of manga or do you find it on the internet?

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

I used to buy manga, but then it became too expensive. I don't know about today but 20-15 years ago, series were getting published in volumes by Tokyo Pop. Each volume was $10. So, for a series like GTO (which ran 20+ volumes), you were out $200 or more by the end of the series' run.

Because of that, I pretty much stopped buying manga. I try to catch up with certain series by watching the anime series online (legally) but I do admittedly read some scanlation versions through an app if I can't find a TV adaptation.

Now I'm more into manhwa than manga, because I guess I'm over manga/anime and I don't like the direction it's gone in. Plus, I feel guilty about reading scanlations (it's basically piracy), and most manhwa is free.

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[–] TheAdlerian (2092) 4 years ago

I was using "manga" and a generic term for comics. I had to look up that new term.

I used to be like that with comics. I would buy and enjoy them then they got too expensive. I used to download them but that is tedious.

I am old school and believe "piracy" is sharing. I see no difference between the old days of coping a tape for your friend or disk and downloading on the net. So, I have no guilt!

That is especially so if something is too expensive. I used to do it with software, like photoshop which was like 500 bucks plus a subscription. Nope, no communist enough for me!

I will pay for something I think is good and worth the money. So, I will buy comic collections that are beautifully drawn and tend to go to the movies because I like that experience.

I haven't purchased comics in a long time though. I don't like how they keep rebooting stories and so forth. To me if cheapens the story.

I am working with kids now and this orphan how is having a rough time told me he likes Superman. So, I might buy a nice collection to give him as he's in a mental hospital now. Stuff like that makes me feel good.

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[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

For example, "Monster." Monster is a great manga. But guess what? It's the American TV show, The Fugitive. So, while anime fans are like "OMGERD SO CREATIVE AND UNDERRATED", Americans are like, "Meh. That's good and all, but it's The Fugitive." [...] That is all I'm saying.

Fine.

The problem is that the same standard can be applied to American movies and series, the same could be said about 'The Fugitive'. The 'An innocent person is wrongfully accused and travels under a fake identity trying to prove the innocence' has been done before. For example, that was the plot of a Jules Verne novel, I think it was A Drama in Livonia. Besides that, the innocent man wrongfully accused was a very common theme in Verne, you had it in Miguel Strogoff, in Cesar Cascabel, and probably in a couple more.

If we apply your standard, the Fugitive would end with a "Meh. That's good and all, but that's Verne".

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

And I don't get why you're debating about something you obviously don't know shit.

Dear lunatic,

I've been both watching and reading anime and manga for over 30 years, my first series being Galaxy 999 Express. To this day, I have dozens of manga titles, old issues of New Type USA Magazine and two full years of Shojo Beat on my shelf.

So, it's not a question of me "not knowing shit." It's a question of another member of a super niche American otaku fanbase that keeps confusing their peculiar tastes as being representative of the anime fandom at large--one, I might add, that isn't even shared by mainstream Japanese.

Your cluelessness reminds me of this hilarious story I read about an American otaku who went to Japan to become an English language teacher but also share his obsession with anime with the Japanese. One day he enthusiastically brought up Neon Genesis Evangelion and all of his students just kind of gave him a blank stare. He learned, much to his embarrassment, that a lot of the "anime" that makes it over here and gets obsessed over by American otakus isn't widely popular in Japan, either. In fact, most of that stuff plays in the dead of night on Japanese TV precisely because of how niche and non-mainstream it is.

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[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

Dear lunatic, I've been both watching and reading anime and manga for over 30 years

Look.
You called 'supeobscure titles' the filmography of Satoshi Kon, the Hitchcock of Anime.
You called 'supeobscure titles' the filmography of Makoto Shinkai, the most successful and important Anime director right now.
You called 'supeobscure titles' the filmography of Hiromasa Yonebayashi, the number two in Studio Ghibli after Miyazaki.

Perhaps you were watching and reading Dragon Ball for 30 years, but obviously you don't even know the big names in Anime. I'm not talking about some secondary directors, I'm talking about the fucking big names, and you don't even know them. You lack basic knowledge, and some basic knowledge is a minimum required to talk about any topic. Or should be, at least.

It's like talking about western movies with somebody that doesn't know who is Hitchcock, Spielberg or John Ford... because hey, that person has been watching some crappy western soap opera for 30 years, and she think she knows.

So please, keep insulting me. It's all you have left.

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[–] TheAdlerian (2092) 4 years ago

I don't understand the types of anime, so maybe you can explain.

I like realistically drawn and serious stuff like Ninja Scrolls. That's the first real one I saw years ago.

The real story was in a series called Basilisk. That was EXCELLENT and I have watched it several times. It is realistically drawn and serious.

Death Note was GREAT!

Inuyasha was very good.

HOWEVER...there's a lot of anime that is stupid. The characters scream all the time, have cartoonishly large mouths screaming...then it's mixed with serious story and semi-realistic art.

I have seen far more of that than the serious adult stuff. I can't take it.

Also, such shows tend to be very "precious" with little girl robots that have "tender" moments and all of this crap few Americans are going to sit through. That stuff is what people think of when they think of anime.

Also, even in Death Note, some characters had the strange big eyes which frankly, look stupid, and make you ask "why", but I know it's a thing with Japanese artists. Ironically, most Asians have very small eyes, so I don't get it.

In summation, mostly childish stupid behaviors in the shows that are very distracting, prolonged, and retarded. Weird art that is at times ugly and hard to take.

DC comics makes very good animated shows. The art isn't super realistic but gives the impression it is. Characters never become distorted, and behavior is presented realistically. Animes has a WIDE variety of stories more than any American movie or TV shows, but it is ruined by the art and behavior.

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[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

Well, the type depends on different factors.

Anime oriented to younger audiences is the one filled with battles and superpowers. I'm not interested in this type, but they're usually quite popular. Anime oriented towards (more) adult audiences usually deals with drama/comedy between characters, with or without supernatural elements. Usagi Drop, for example, is an Anime about a guy that adopts the daughter his father had when he was already old. Characters feel completely real, and it's a little jewel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxI_bciJhvA

You have more 'adult' stories in other genres like scifi https://vimeo.com/259039150, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWI97Kg8ur8 or in fantasy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOm_PAI2goo

The style depends on the Studio and the period. The 'huge eyes' style with very childish voices, which is called 'moe', reached a peak around 2010 and has become less popular last years. Anyway, even when the drawing is realistic, the eyes use to be big.
https://ramenparados.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Flying-Witch-anime.jpg
Some Anime use big eyes in female characters and kids and narrow ones in some male characters, but in general, that's rare.

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[–] TheAdlerian (2092) 4 years ago

I liked the clips you provided.

Why do you think it's all not more popular in the US?

As noted, I have seen some stories I thought were just great and memorable.

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[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

No idea about why it's not more popular... that's why I asked.

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[–] TheAdlerian (2092) 4 years ago

I see.

I think it's because it's franatic, disorganized, too cute, and badly drawn.

Meanwhile, the wide variety of plots are very good and would likely be appreciated by Americans. We get THE SAME plots over and over. We have very few creative ideas going on.

I think it's to the point where many Americans can't understand a complex and different plot. I was talking about Dune lately and believe that movie will be a disaster. The audience couldn't understand the first one and that was fairly clear.

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[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

It used to be badly drawn, but that has changed.

The movies are becoming breathtaking, for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdM7athAem0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmOW2IdkbZk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnLaOqqtCKs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG770hOuT2k

And the series don't have that quality (budget), but they're become much much better drawn than 80s and 90s Anime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srsc99S4wcE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZEOpfelkxQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aL0gDZtFbE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvfkO4Eih1c

The narrative has become much easier to understand than in 80s and 90s. The 'too cute' hasn't changed, though. And I don't think that's gonna change. Japanese love it.

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[–] TheAdlerian (2092) 4 years ago

Interesting!

I will have to check out all the clips.

I had a instant reaction to some of them and turned them off!!

Japanese stuff seems "indulgently sad" and that is distasteful. There's the wistful girl singing a song that sounds sad, even though I don't know the lyrics. Falling cherry blossoms mean death. The whispering soft voices of the characters, etc.

Asian are stoic and does this stuff "get them off" and is like emotion porn, or what?

I instantly don't want to watch something sad especially if it's whimpingly sad.

Beautiful animation from the clips I watched though!

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[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

Well, I'm afraid that's my fault. I like that kind of 'nostalgia feeling' in anime.

The one I was talking about in another comment, The Eccentric Family AKA Uchouten Kazoku, is quite beautiful and less sad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVu8qiE7Yv4

Another example, if you liked Death Note, you probably will like this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfznTm8mJA4

Not every Anime has a good art, of course. But in general, art in modern Anime is much better than two decades ago.

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[–] TheAdlerian (2092) 4 years ago

I love Death Note.

I have a very sad career and can't take watching sad stuff at home.

Wow your suggestion sounds good!

I searched my Roku TV for Future Diary and it told me Amazon Prime has it, but 35 for the season!!

Any other sources?

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[–] kukuxu (5409) 4 years ago

Legit, I don't think so. Crunchyroll has some Animes available in their page, but this is not one of them.

Non-legit, the usual ones.

EDIT btw, MyAnimeList has a very useful feature: recommendations based in some title. This is the list of recommendation for people who liked Death Note, for example:

https://myanimelist.net/anime/1535/Death_Note/userrecs

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[–] TheAdlerian (2092) 4 years ago

Thanks for that list!

I am very tired of western plots.

Netflix has a lot of anime but it seems like the childish stuff dominates.

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[–] Allison44 (602) 4 years ago

Ughhh. That thoroughly tiresome term, underrated.

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[–] MovieBuff224 (5053) 4 years ago

It’s not it has a huge western fan base.

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