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The "impeached forever" Democrat fallacy.


Democrats have repeatedly showed their cards, removing any doubt they're just playing politics, including with comments by Pelosi and others confirming that they just wanted to brand Trump with the "impeachment" mark.

But that petty, myopic obsession is similar to a phenomenon in chess known as "pawn grabbing", where you focus too much on a small goal at the expense of the bigger picture.

What Democrats fail to appreciate is multifaceted:

Trump will be acquitted forever. Democrats have cast themselves as the villains of the piece, pure partisans who will fail in their effort and are on the wrong side of history. That will make Trump's "impeachment" mark more of a badge of honor than anything. Even Clinton undeniably committed crimes. But Trump is the wrongly accused, innocent of any crime, who will survive the blustering, impotent impeachment push and likely emerge stronger judging by trends so far through this process. As in the House, it's more likely that Trump will get Democrats voting against removal than Republicans voting for it. It's almost impossible to picture Manchin, for example, voting to convict.

That's all aside from the strong possibility that Democrats' reckless abuse of the system will lead to making impeachment routine and meaningless anyway, as they've scrapped countless other stabilizing traditions for perceived short term gain (e.g. not politicizing judicial nominees; partisan politics stopping at the water's edge).

If this precedent is followed then any president would be impeached whenever the opposing party controls the House. In a few decades there might be 10 presidents on the impeached list, mostly likely there for purely partisan reasons, so being "impeached forever" won't mean anything anyway.

But to the extent it might for a while, Trump being acquitted forever will be bad for Democrats and good for him.

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The only “reckless abuse of the system” here is Trump and his incarcerated, indicted or under investigation cronies.
Thugs, all of them

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You mean victims of Trump haters' abuse of government power whose indictments have nothing to do with Trump's election campaign. They're all either process crimes manufactured by brute force tactics during the investigation itself or old crimes the DOJ didn't deem worth prosecuting in the past. Absolutely nothing to do with impeachment. Heck, General Michael Flynn, who unlike Vindmann really did serve his country honorably as a patriot for decades, is now even formally seeking to withdraw his guilty plea, which was only made as he was being driven into bankruptcy and having his family threatened, a deal that the government recently broke by recommending prison time, after all that's come out about the DOJ lying in its notes on Flynn's interview, withholding exculpatory evidence, and other unethical behavior.

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lol!
He signed the checks for Micheal Cohen! And you could write a book on his current lawyers shenanigans
You sure know how to dissipate smoke.
That’s a talent!

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Smoke and mirrors is more like it. I cut through the BS to get to the heart of the matter.

When Trump is acquitted, it will be for good reason.

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He's all kinds of crazy in this thread--more than usual.

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...LMAO!!! Oh, wow. Oh, wow...

That post was all kinds of crazy even for YOUR standards.

You guys want Hillary jailed for nothing and want actual criminals to get off.

Your mind has taken a walk off the map, Krl.

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It's repugnant.

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Donald's spawn (his base) might actually be more repugnant than him.

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LOL! You've spammed up the thread with several more of these inane little posts in just the past few minutes, underscoring your aggressive insanity.

All your posts here and not one of them with a remotely intelligent, substantive, or factual contribution. "Triggered" doesn't begin to cover your meltdown.

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They are just the same scum. Garbage in, garbage out. I think Ivanka keeps herself above the fray plus she's pretty so she gets a pass.

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I use the word as well. It gets a bit repetitive in the politics forum, however.

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I don't think she's pretty, to be honest. All I see is her nasty father in her face.

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She takes after her mother....plus a few surgeries. She stays above the fray so that's good. Plus you know Kushner isn't taking care of that right. She looks ripe, if you know what I mean. Like she hasn't been fucked right since her father that drunken night. Yeah, I went there.

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She looks like a blonde bimbo to me. I'm not a big fan of blondes, though, partially because I AM blonde myself.

She looks like a plastic figure to me. Nose, neck, face--none of it looks natural.

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You are correct. She is her father's daughter.

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Yep they can’t raise any money to fund their joke candidates so they’re using tax payer dollars to fund their anti Trump campaign via fake investigation after fake investigation. They’ve now wasted several hundred million dollars, done nothing with congress, and produced zero evidence.

Meanwhile the American dream is more achievable than ever thanks to the Trump economic boom.

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Of course you don't talk about Moscow Mitch refusing to have a trial and going for immediate dismissal.

Weeks ago you said you wanted the senate to have a fair trial with witnesses. The senate said no. This caused the House to change their strategy to use the articles as leverage to have a fair trial with witnesses that Moscow Mitch wants to completely skip. Now you oppose a fair trial with witnesses.

And of course you don't want to talk about the evidence that has surfaced involving Parnas and Fruman, including a republican dirtbag stalking Yovanavitch.

No, none of that. But what DO you choose to talk about? Procedures and cards. You complain about Clinton, but he allowed witnesses. You complain about Clinton, but most importantly, he testified. You don't want any of that, because you and the rest of the Trump cult are cowards.

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It's almost as if you replied to the wrong post since nothing you said has anything to do with what I said and you pulled your characterizations out of your ass. Being the actual coward you are, you completely avoided the points in my op.

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Your OP is just preaching to the cultist choir about some dumbass "wrong side of history" nonsense as if there will be some kind of reckoning.

If you're too dumb to realize Pelosi's endgame is controlling the senate, and you're too dumb to know that the House is safely in dem control for 2020, then it's pointless to even talk to you about what you wrote. Here in the real world, senate republicans are scared that supporting Trump will lose their senate seat. Pelosi knows it. Whether or not she'll be effective at using it, who knows. But right now repubs are scared.

All of that flies in the face of your OP. But again, talking to you about it is pointless because you are a Trump cultist who can only grasp the concept that the almighty heir Trump is ultimately good, and all who oppose him are ultimately bad.

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"If"? He is.

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You're a delusional moron. Pelosi's dumb strategy has already lost Democrats a House seat to Republicans, causing a member to switch parties. It's shored up Trump's support in battleground states and sent his fund raising into the stratosphere. It's far more likely that 20 or so House seats will flip because poor Democrats who only won in Trump districts by running as conservatives and pledging to work with the President were bullied into voting for impeachment, than four Republican Senators (not counting Manchin and who knows how many other Democrats) will lose because they vote to acquit when Democrats have no case.

Again, you got zero GOP votes in the House, and multiple Democrats voted against impeachment. Those are hard facts, the kind of thing you habitually ignore, being a moronic partisan clown and all.

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He's nuts. He can't keep his bullshit straight anymore.

These psychos believe Hillary is guilty of all these crimes but nothing was found after FIVE investigations. Trump had TWELVE mostly republican witnesses with impeccable reputations all testify to the same thing and the cultists write them all off as liars while screaming for Obama, Hillary, Biden, Hunter and even the whistleblowers jailed. But Trump is innocent, don't you know.

I've noticed eyeDEF and a few other regulars don't really post here anymore. I don't blame them. The cultists are becoming comically stupid and tiresome lately. This whole thread us an utterly baffling disgrace. Pure clown show.

Please, god, make this idiot lose in November so we can get some measure of sanity back in this nation again.

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Yeah, the cultists will be gone once he is gone. That's how it always works. It will be fun watching them pretend they were never on his side. That's the real reckoning. Not this mucus krl vomited from his wherever.

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When this is over those cultist will forever have a scarlet "T" on their ass, because their asses belong to Trump.

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I really hope it happens this year because I don't think I can take 5 more years of this bullshit. It feels like we've already had Trump for 7 or 8 years. So much melodrama. So much corruption. So many damn articles with his big, fat, ugly, orange mug on them with a forever-screaming O-face expression plastered on it.

Ugh...

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Best to go to the Solomon and Alex Jones websites directly and cut out middleman krl. He’s too confused with his cut and paste jobs.

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He is indeed a middleman. He may even be on the payroll of these sites.

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You might be on to something here. I've noticed a lot of these Trumpers defend Trump around here in the same manner as the old IMDB shills used to defend obviously-bad movies shortly before/after release.

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They repeat EXACTLY what is making the rounds in right-winged media. If they aren't being paid they are suckers.

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It could swing either way, sadly. I've personally known/worked with Trumpers who do the same thing so it's not just an internet troll/shill thing. It's as if they're all part of some hivemind. It's actually rather unnerving.

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I worked with a person several years ago that repeated whatever he heard on talk-radio. It took me a week or so to understand that. I just learned to cut him off when he started in on his right-winged propaganda.

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LOL! What cut and paste? You realize by assuming the post I wrote up over a couple of minutes must have been a professional job, you're unwittingly paying me a compliment, don't you?

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He certainly acts like a shill for them, that's for sure.

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In your actually insane posting, dteam6, you were triggered enough to post 3 times in this thread when I was gone, calling me "crazy" in each post without saying one thing in my op that's even wrong, let alone crazy. That's your MO. Hysterical, deranged rhetoric that amounts to empty hot air because you never post substance or build a rational argument. You're ignorant and you lack the mental acuity for it. You're a textbook TDS sufferer who admits you didn't even follow politics until Trump came along, which is why you're in over your head in these debates and get ass stomped every time.

I didn't mention "Hillary", though from what's publicly known she did violate statutes, including ones involving handling classified information and obstructing justice by destroying evidence, that have sent others to prison.

Trump isn't even accused of any crimes. The Never Trumper witnesses didn't accuse him of crimes, nor did the Democrats in their ridiculous, soon to crash and burn impeachment articles. The impeachment farce is purely partisan and their witch hunt failed to find anything to win the country over. This reality has left you a mouth frothing wreck.

You're a joke. But your frequent meltdowns, one of which you appear to be having right now, are the most hilarious part of your bumbling presence here.

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To give him credit, you are talking to Fredo. What can any rational person expect from him?😁😁😁

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRAWZBEI5NY

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LOL! Poor Fredo.

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