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UK goes Tory (conservative) in a big way. A bad sign for Dems in the US?


Granted, UK politics aren't a perfect mirror for US politics, but if you look at recent decades, there has been something of a connection.

Lately, the dynamic in UK politics is somewhat similar to what we have in the US. Boris is kind of a British Trump, a strong, divisive personality. Embarrassing to many, but also with a dedicated following. Not hugely beloved by the general population.

However, at the same time we've seen Labour taking a sharp turn to the left. "New Labour" is a thing of the past. Corbyn is very similar to the Dems Sanders and Warren, pushing for large increases in taxes, especially on the rich, and heavily increased involvement by the government in the economy. Pretty much transforming the British economy, moving sharply towards a more socialist approach.

In the UK they chose to stick with the guy they are currently stuck with and the status quo over Labour and the big changes they were pushing for. Could Americans see four more years of Trump as a safer bet than what the Democrats are offering them?

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I hope Corbin wins.

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Unless the exit polls are historically wrong, he isn't.

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Why not Boris Johnson is another Trump. Do you think that the UK would want that?

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I don't know if they want that. It looks like they chose that over Corbyn though.

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Move to Venezuela.

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Once again, you have gone off on a tangent, Sandy.

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Why? You're all scared the world is getting all capitalistic. Move to the Sean Penn endorsed Socialist haven known as Venezuela. 🤪🤪🤪

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Any thoughts on the UK election going the Tory's way?

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There's hope in the world! Should be a good Xmas in the UK!😁😁😁

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I think the issue of Brexit makes it impossible to use the UK election as any sort of barometer for US 2020.

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There's no single issue in the US that is dominating politics in that way, true.

I think the dynamics between the two major parties in the UK and US are pretty similar, though.

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For sure, and in Australia for that matter.

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The Brexit Party standing directly against Labour-held seats has helped the Tories make these huge gains.

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It's not Brexit. It's SOCIALISM. Jeremy Corbyn is an extreme socialist and the Brits resoundlingly said no thank you.

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Labour are forecast to have the lowest number of seats since the 1930s while that narcissistic, lying bully tightens his grip and would appear to be lodged in Number Ten for the forseeable future.

This is a terrible day. I despair for the future of my country.

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It's a victory for freedom and democracy. The British people voted for Brexit three years ago despite the political establishment across all major parties telling them not to. Since then that same establishment has dithered, trying various ways to water down or avoid the separation altogether. "Remainers" have even been pushing for a new referendum, as if there would be a point to voting if the powers that be just kept holding elections until they got their way without ever respecting results they don't like.

Brexit needs to happen and it needs to happen ASAP. The tie with the US is that the American people have similarly been alienated by an establishment that's grown out of touch and even hostile to their interests. Trump is part of that rebellion, elected for various issues but the most important one being long overdue immigration reform that's in Americans' interests rather than those of corporations that want cheap labor, DNC vote counters, or leftist elements who despise American society and want it dissolved and replaced by something else.

Yet 3 years after Trump's election, while some desirable action has been taken on the economy and the courts, and while the DC status quo has been rocked in a number of satisfying ways, we've got no wall due to ferocious liberal obstruction and unconstitutional judicial activism, illegal immigration has actually increased due to Democrat-fostered loopholes and encouragement, there have been no mass deportations to put even a dent of a few million into the estimated tens of millions of illegals here, and nothing has been fixed about the system moving forward.

Instead, 99% of the media has been waging an unprecedented daily propaganda war against the president, often comical in its hysterical ineptitude, but dangerous because all journalistic standards have been discarded. And Democrats are currently pushing to impeach him out of pure partisan hatred, basically nullifying the election and disenfranchising voters, "deplorables" whom the establishment deemed had gotten uppity.

The lesson is to not contemptuously disregard the will and lives of the people whose interests you’re supposed to be serving, and, as we’re seeing in populist movements not just in the US and UK but around the world, that people actually like living in countries with distinct characters, societies, and cultures. They certainly take offense to those things being flippantly sacrificed by corrupt officials without their permission.






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When income inequality begins to negatively impact the working class, there is a rebellion against it. To fight this rebellion are the oligarchs with their massive wealth and propaganda machine to keep the system in place. That is how people like Boris and Trump maintain power. Anyone choosing to fight the system has an uphill battle, not just with the system and its oligarchs, but also its massive propaganda machine working overtime to dupe low-IQ individuals.

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You're saying that virtually the entire media/entertainment industry, every major social media site, almost the entire education system, most of modern corporate America, and the entire apparatus of the Democratic Party has a structurally "uphill" fight against Trump's twitter account and a couple of shows on Fox News?

Have you considered the possibility that you're the "low-IQ individual" being manipulated like Maoist cannon fodder?

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I'm saying the oligarchs have the power. The owners of the media/entertainment industry are also like Trump. Some resemble the blue version of Trump (which he was for most of his life) and some resemble the red.

To Boris's credit, he's not putting NHS on the table for the US to buy, even though Trump lies and says he is. As conservative as Boris is, he still understands privatizing healthcare would be a disaster for the UK. Trump of course doesn't know a damn thing.

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Sounds like you haven't considered it. I figured as much.

The so called "oligarchs" who run the media entertainment industry are virtually all Democrats. Republicans, especially Trump supporters, are the ones who have to run "uphill" against that establishment and yet often manage to win anyway because their values are more aligned with Americans'.

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The working class have always been the lower-IQ individuals. And they are the ones being duped into stagnant wages while trickle-down economics continues to send a higher percentage, not just a flat amount, of wealth to the top percent year after year. If a higher percentage of wealth is going to the top percent every year, what direction is the percentage going for the working class every year? One percentage has to go down for the other to go up. The oligarchs don't want the lesser intelligent people to believe it is happening, and use propaganda to tell you that if you oppose their system then you are a commie. And you buy into it. So you're either one of the oligarchs, or you're being duped. Take your pick.

Also, brexit isn't happening. They've tried and tried, and even if the tories keep winning elections, there aren't enough in agreement to make it happen. They simply don't have the numbers.

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Move to Venezuela.

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The working class have always been the lower-IQ individuals.

Nice. Thanks for showing that leftist disdain for regular people I described earlier, supporting what I said. Of course very smart and stupid people are found across income levels. I won't guess and don't care what class you're in, but over these months we've established that you're a low IQ individual.

To wit, you're upset that the working class keeps voting against you...for Brexit, for Trump, and now flipping many Labour strongholds Conservative. But how can you blame this on easily manipulated people being "duped" by propaganda when the establishment propaganda machines, including the media, entertainment celebrities, large corporations, and education system, have been firmly and loudly anti-Trump and anti-Brexit? Brexit had the leaders of both major parties opposing it in 2016. It's one thing to disagree with the working class's decisions, but you can't dismiss it as propaganda-driven.

The propaganda is virtually all on your side and working class voters have been showing independent thinking and agency in voting against you despite that.
And they are the ones being duped into stagnant wages while trickle-down economics continues to send a higher percentage, not just a flat amount, of wealth to the top percent year after year. If a higher percentage of wealth is going to the top percent every year, what direction is the percentage going for the working class every year? One percentage has to go down for the other to go up.

It’s not zero sum. While inequality dramatically increased under Obama for the wrong reasons now the pie is growing for everyone. "Trickle-down" was a stupid Democrat propaganda tag that failed in the 1980s because most people could see the improvements in their lives with Reagan's policies.

Under Trump BLS data shows that non-supervisory workers, roughly the bottom 80% of income earners, have seen strong, sustained wage growth for the first time since the 2000s, 3% growth or higher every month since last July.

Roughly over that same time period, for the first time on record there have been more job openings than people seeking jobs. The “oligarchs”, as you call them, don’t like that and want to open the flood gates to cheap immigrant labor to ease their headaches. But it’s great for American workers, and would be even better if they finally got the immigration enforcement and reform they voted for.
Also, brexit isn't happening.

Brexit had better happen or it would kill any pretense of British democracy. It’s telling that you’d be fine with that; no longer having to deal with those pesky working class values and opinions. That's the same myopic, power grubbing mindset that's eager to flippantly nullify an election by impeaching the elected president based on nothing other than you viewing him as your enemy.

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Well said. And I concur. UV is a dunce. Proven.

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Apples and oranges. I read that Corbyn was despised nationally. It made no sense for him to run.

Also major demographic shift in the U.S. that doesn't exist in England.

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Isn't the UK Conservative Party similar in ideology to the US Democratic party?

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They do have some positions that would fit better with the Dems than the Republicans, yes.

Some things are not up for debate there, really, like the NHS. It'd be suicide politically to oppose national health care.

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