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P.S. How's the film x? Was it any good? If I liked, and I did mind you, Ki Duk's other works, should I appreciate this one, although its arguably his most disturbing one, its almost like "A Serbian Film" of Kim Ki Duk, right?
Fair enough, but it has however been commonly referred to as such for long time.
Maybe it was meant to be ironic, metaphorical or darkly comical whilst in a way commenting on law enforcement's INEFFECTIVENESS in solving matters like this?
Besides, those words and terms were NOT created by God and set in stone - WE HUMANS HAVE CREATED THEM, and what is it then if its not it given that this is what humans have called it?
Seriously, if its not that, then WHAT IS IT?
I often tend to nod and grunt even without understanding a bit of what's been said or hearing it correctly so in the end die Huey really blow his cover that much if at all?
On the other hand, what are Americans or even simple people in the world in general NOT phobic too?
Maybe that is sort of the point of the movie, that the caller guy is really a psychopath who just happened to on occasion target those that really deserved it but then true to his nature went on to targetting perhaps highly flawed people but still those not deserving fully of such treatment.
(And the fact that he killed the pimp Leon, well, just because he was kind of sabotaging the whole operation, Leon didn't really deserve to get shot and killed did he?)
Heck, in the movie "Se7en" (1995) for instance, the serial killer John Doe mostly killed innocents but ONE of his victims was a drug dealing child molester, but that aspect alone doesn't anywhere near totally redeem him or make him overall respectable, right? And what COULD this be saying about him in general as a psychopathic killer that at least one of his victims just happenes to be a really bad guy?
Having said that, after 1997 or so, Ferrara has gone relatively downhill, with most of his works being middle of the road and forgettable at best, save for 2 or 3 AT MOST OK to decent flicks, and yes his best days of this, King of New York and Bad Lieutenant are sadly WAY behind him, and I think he needs to retire as soon as possible so he can keep his positive reputation based on his past works.
t, what would stop THOSE people from hurting others and proving that - "Dear God, psychopaths and evil people are just around the corner and that they exist in FAR larger numbers than many can even BEGIN to fathom."
Come to think of it, why can't LAWS be SAME EVERYWHERE on this planet, and how come even in AMERICAN States, one can get DIFFERENT sentences for SAME or SIMILAR misdeeds - what IS the secret to all of it, and do lawmakers like EVER think about "How civilized THEY are" compared to us simple Joe Schmoes, Joe Averages and John Smiths of the world?
And on totally DIFFERENT sides - OK, so by LAW one DOESN'T get jailed for doing something terrible, but the victim and their family thinks the person HAS done something terrible and deserves to be condemned for such actions? Should the victim and their family immediately FORGIVE the person and think it wasn't anything wrong? (Doesn't have to be TOO serious or damaging an offense like sexual violence, battery or even murder (well, obviously) for that matter, could be statutory r*pe, or inappropriately touching someone's bottom, or slapping someone in the face, or stealing someone's possession(s), or ACCIDENTALLY running them over and injuring them etc.) And what IF the victim and their family does NOT forgive them, should the person just disappear and stay away from them? What if victim starts seeking revenge or constantly shaming them in some or other ways - and would law be CORRECT to STOP them or even OTHER people and WHY?
Basically, IN ALL OF THIS TALK, who ultimately IS wrong and who is right and why/how, thanks.
Plus, there is an EVOLUTION of CONTROVERSIES surrounding the stance and existence of many legal issues, with people, correctly and not so much, often noticing how laws are NEVER 100% fair and for the best of everyone, and that they either OVER or UNDER react on certain issues, but even with the incredible common failures of the law, as well as the fact that it often makes with evidence life worse for the victims, NO ONE seems to want for laws to JUST disappear and allow vigilante justice to take place, and even when vigilante justice does happen in real life, it often involves, however rare it is by comparison to ACTUAL guilty people doing their horrid deeds AND getting away with it in real life, the WRONG people getting hurt and (sometimes) even killed in the process, and many people often look at THAT side of the issue as a separate however smaller problem, thinking along the lines of "But let's not forget how many ACTUAL offenders either get away with it or get very light sentences, again, by LAW" rather than something along the lines of, er, "Well, yes the original issue is a problem but as you can see, vigilante justice isn't the answer EITHER", and this even goes towards say films that are acclaimed and deal with issues along those lines (think of Thomas Vinterberg's acclaimed and controversial Danish drama "The Hunt" (2012) starring Mads Mikkelsen). (Of course, I am sadly often aware of the exact and COMMONLY opposite problem, like with sadly MANY people in the world thinking those original issues are "OK" and blame the victims, but I don't even consider those people rational human beings and wonder if we should just try and professionally ignore them and not give them ANY credit and publicity - although I sometimes wonder why myself, because I for one just CANNOT imagine ME having THEIR thoughts and mentalities - and do those people just don't CARE about the LAW and MORALITY and do they have NO empathy whatsoever, imagine what would happen if law DIDN'T exis
Yeah. (Except in "The Terminator", Arnie was back even after that guy to which he told the line to was telling the truth.)
I thought "Thriller: A Cruel Picture" was pretty good but Ms .45 was great - and one of Abel Ferrara's top 3 best along with "King of New York" and "Bad Lieutenant" (which Zoe Land also co-wrote the script for and co-starred in).
I'd love to hear Cassie Jaye herself attempt to answer all of that, maybe even write an essay on why "Life is not like an action movie, and good guys don't defeat evil bad guys and live happily ever after" and talk about how in life, there may always be exceptions even to the vast majority of incredibly COMMON patterns of injustices faced by humanity every day and talk about what we can or even SHOULD be able to do about it, plus about what types of emotions we must have in accordance to some or other issues, and avoid internet flame wars when discussing such matters on forums, no matter if its reddit, yahooanswers, ilovephilosophy.org or even HERE, but then again, humanity is arguably the same ANYWHERE, right?
Having said all this, just ignoring certain problems and not talking about it and letting "other people or parties handle it", even if it IS intended in the name of GOOD and JUSTICE, in real life, doesn't just make it all go away, right?
And it does seem like a LOT of people on this planet of over 8 BILLION people and thousands of years of human existence, well, there may be a LOT OF GOOD people but there are a lot of EVIL ones as well, and fact of the matter is, you could never QUITE tell who is who, right, so erring on the side of caution is a must, right?
So in a nutshell, the movie is basically like an anti-thesis of a typically revenge centered genre film where good guys avenge bad deeds and punish the bad guys, and in this case, the avenger isn't black and white simply good and the bad guys don't get punished at the end?
Also, with regards to the final part, is the movie intended to say that for the most part, it is indeed men who are bastards, bad people, and that they are like that primarily MERELY by BEING men, so women are likely and far more likely to be innocent, and very sadly often victims, by nature and by being women?
I know men in generally are more responsible for most crimes and problems in the world and I'm also aware that naturally men are stronger than women and tend to crave far more often for power?
On the other hand - what if women, and sometimes men, attempted more often to fight back and take vengeance against powerful and otherwise men that wronged them, often sexually but can be in other ways too, in real life like we often see in traditional revenge-themed movies, and the law just happened, ANYWHERE, to be lenient towards it if not outright praiseworthy, would it ACTUALLY make the world a better place?
Granted, those original traditional wrongs happen all the time and is a massive ongoing world problem, but would violent counter reaction to it if realized help or create MORE problems without much potential for eradicating ORIGINAL issues EITHER? Anyone know or think they know? Thanks.
I didn't see no "porno" inserts here, maybe you confused it with "Thriller: A Cruel Picture" (1974)?
So real then, right?
In that way, was the movie intended to be anti-vigilantism and even showed how sometimes seemingly justified acts of revenge can indeed go wrong, even if the original crime done against the victm IS indeed a worse deed and a more serious problem for the world?
Basically, is the movie saying that yes rape and sexual violence is a serious issue and obviously seriously wrong, but revenge and vigilantism isn't the answer EITHER? Especially as it shows that innocent people CAN end up getting killed in the process - and its not a happy and appropriate solution in the end?
I still consider this a great film and an exploitation classic, but do you think it HAS that type of message to it and something to say in (that sort of) way?
True, but some of the men she killed didn't do anything bad to her and possibly didn't do anything too bad at all, at least in the original "I Spit on Your Grave" (1978), the victimized woman there attacked and killed the men who violated her but in this case, not to mean to look too much into what is otherwise just a fictional movie, but the parents and relatives of those innocent men in this movie would probably still condemn her were they to find out she killed them.
But I guess its one of those factors that makes her a complex character and what makes this film so interesting and fascinating, but many people see murder (especially to those who are innocent) to be just as bad.
Yeah, maybe.